A Signing Already?!

SmootSmack · 01-04-2007, 09:53 PM

So we hear all this bitching and moaning about how all the team does is sign overhyped, overpriced free agents and now we sign (for virtually nothing) a young DE very, very early in the offseason and everyone (hyperbolically speaking of course) wants to lambast this move.

Yes, he may be undersized at 240. But...he can bulk up, he can move to LB, heck maybe he'll even move to S. We have him for all the mini-camps, OTAs, we could even send him to NFL Europe.

But anyway, I'll ask my cousin about him. He's a columnist in Canada covering the CFL beat so he can give some inside scoop on this kid.

JoeRedskin · 01-04-2007, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'll ask my cousin about him. He's a columnist in Canada covering the CFL beat so he can give some inside scoop on this kid.

Well, since the conclusion has already been reached that was just the Skins' FO being ignorant again - actual, relevant information from an individual who has seen him play is unnecessary

paulskinsfan · 01-04-2007, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, since the conclusion has already been reached that was just the Skins' FO being ignorant again - actual, relevant information from an individual who has seen him play is unnecessary

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-w...tml#post146749

Hmmmm, lets see Joe, wasn't it you that said how CFL players were CLEARLY inferior to NFL players? Boy, you don't talk out of both sides of your mouth do ya?

paulskinsfan · 01-04-2007, 10:39 PM

Is it hard being a full time hypocrite Joe, or is that just a part time gig for ya? This is the perfect example of a kool aid drinker, whatever the FO and beloved Gibbs does is full of roses and sunshine.

jsarno · 01-04-2007, 10:43 PM

Well, I look at it this way...it couldn't hurt.
Does anyone know the terms of the deal? If it's low enough, it might not even affect our cap.
We've taken chances on big name DE's and they haven't worked out, so why not get a no name and see what kind of production he can give us?
It's thinking outside the box. Heck, when Kurt Warner was signed, everyone said "WHO?", he was an MVP for the Rams. If This kid can get us even close to 10 sacks we'll look like a genius!

SmootSmack · 01-04-2007, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Is it hard being a full time hypocrite Joe, or is that just a part time gig for ya? This is the perfect example of a kool aid drinker, whatever the FO and beloved Gibbs does is full of roses and sunshine.

If you paid any attention at all to Joe's posts over the past few years you'd know that what you're saying is a bunch of bull. He offers very balanced, well thought analysis praising the Redskins when deserved and critiquing them when necessary.

Gmanc711 · 01-04-2007, 10:51 PM

Well....considering one of our best players and "core Redskins", Mike Sellers palyed in the CFL, I dont see why we can't give this kid a shot. Its not like we just signed him to start for us in the Super Bowl; he is going to try out for the friggin team...who cares!?!?

RobH4413 · 01-04-2007, 10:55 PM

Easy folks...

I'm afraid I agree with the "Let's not go all crazy over a signing that means very little" sect. Obviously the FO was impressed by the DE, and we'll get the chance to find out why. If they're wrong, the implications surely aren't drastic.

If he's a bust... so what? Their Job is to evaluate talent, and talent does sometimes come from the C.F.L. Let's be critical when it makes sense to be.

Joe Horn, Jeff Garcia, and Brendon Ayanbadejo all came from the C.F.L.

Let's not all go crazy yet... damn.

jsarno · 01-04-2007, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Easy folks...

I'm afraid I agree with the "Let's not go all crazy over a signing that means very little" sect. Obviously the FO was impressed by the DE, and we'll get the chance to find out why. If they're wrong, the implications surely aren't drastic.

They've been wrong A LOT...so I have little faith this kid work out...but like I said, it's can't hurt.

JoeRedskin · 01-04-2007, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Hmmmm, lets see Joe, wasn't it you that said how CFL players were CLEARLY inferior to NFL players? Boy, you don't talk out of both sides of your mouth do ya?

Man, you had to do some digging for that one. First, here's the quote referenced:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I used to watch the CFL back when they had a team in Baltimore. Maybe times have changed, but I could tell the talent difference easily. The CFL'ers were a clearly a beat or two slower. The window's of opportunity were larger in the CFL: QB's had more margin for error, the holes were slightly bigger for RB's, etc. The speed and power of the NFL players was just so clearly a cut above the CFL guys.

I stand by this statement - In general CFL players are definitely a cut below the generic NFL player. At the same time, I believe the NFL just inducted someone named Warren Moon into their hall of fame. Hmmmm, where did he start his career? What about that Garcia guy up in Philly? Didn't he come from the same league. Not saying Mr. Wilson is in that class at all, just saying to every rule there are exceptions. Further, in case I haven't been clear, I don't think Mr. Wilson is a good signing, I just don't think it is a given that it's a bad signing. In fact, I put in the class of "so-what" signing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Is it hard being a full time hypocrite Joe, or is that just a part time gig for ya? This is the perfect example of a kool aid drinker, whatever the FO and beloved Gibbs does is full of roses and sunshine.

1) Don't call me a hypocrite. I have NEVER asserted that this was some brilliant move by our FO - I have just consistently said it's no big deal one way or the other. 2) While I am firmly in the Gibbs camp, I am not so much that I blind to the personnel errors in the past - particularly this past year (Duckette, Archuletta, Lloyd, Pierce, Clark). But I also recognize their successes (Taylor, Washington, Moss, Cooley, Griffen, Springs). Finally,
I am no fan of Cerrato - and I think that as long as he is the prism through which Gibbs sees talent, there will be problems.

Now tell me, why does a near meaningless signing of someone who is likely to be a practice team player have you so damn pissed off?

JoeRedskin · 01-04-2007, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If you paid any attention at all to Joe's posts over the past few years you'd know that what you're saying is a bunch of bull. He offers very balanced, well thought analysis praising the Redskins when deserved and critiquing them when necessary.

Ahhhh, shucks <kicks dirt and blushes>

So will you take me to the prom?

JoeRedskin · 01-04-2007, 11:07 PM

Page 5 and counting.

SmootSmack · 01-04-2007, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Ahhhh, shucks <kicks dirt and blushes>

So will you take me to the prom?

paulskinsfan can drive us to the dance

paulskinsfan · 01-04-2007, 11:41 PM

Well, I'll say this. If we signed a Canadian it means someone, somewhere in the organization spent scouting time and resources in Canada rather than evaluating the upcoming draft and free agency. They didn't just sign him sight unseen, resources were expended here, and clearly those resources could be better utilized evaluating people who are have NFL level talent. Nice Canadian picks by the way, all QBs. And by the way, Joey, you hurled the first insults so don't act all surprised when someone gets a little ticked off with your tone.

Redskin · 01-04-2007, 11:50 PM

Yea i mean who would think dan snider waiste dmoney researching a canadian, im intrested to see what this kids got.

01-04-2007, 09:53 PM	#61
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: A Signing Already?! So we hear all this bitching and moaning about how all the team does is sign overhyped, overpriced free agents and now we sign (for virtually nothing) a young DE very, very early in the offseason and everyone (hyperbolically speaking of course) wants to lambast this move. Yes, he may be undersized at 240. But...he can bulk up, he can move to LB, heck maybe he'll even move to S. We have him for all the mini-camps, OTAs, we could even send him to NFL Europe. But anyway, I'll ask my cousin about him. He's a columnist in Canada covering the CFL beat so he can give some inside scoop on this kid. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-04-2007, 10:39 PM	#64
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Re: A Signing Already?! Is it hard being a full time hypocrite Joe, or is that just a part time gig for ya? This is the perfect example of a kool aid drinker, whatever the FO and beloved Gibbs does is full of roses and sunshine.

01-04-2007, 10:43 PM	#65
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 49 Posts: 9,534	Re: A Signing Already?! Well, I look at it this way...it couldn't hurt. Does anyone know the terms of the deal? If it's low enough, it might not even affect our cap. We've taken chances on big name DE's and they haven't worked out, so why not get a no name and see what kind of production he can give us? It's thinking outside the box. Heck, when Kurt Warner was signed, everyone said "WHO?", he was an MVP for the Rams. If This kid can get us even close to 10 sacks we'll look like a genius! __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

01-04-2007, 10:51 PM	#67
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: A Signing Already?! Well....considering one of our best players and "core Redskins", Mike Sellers palyed in the CFL, I dont see why we can't give this kid a shot. Its not like we just signed him to start for us in the Super Bowl; he is going to try out for the friggin team...who cares!?!? __________________ #21

01-04-2007, 10:55 PM	#68
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 39 Posts: 2,638	Re: A Signing Already?! Easy folks... I'm afraid I agree with the "Let's not go all crazy over a signing that means very little" sect. Obviously the FO was impressed by the DE, and we'll get the chance to find out why. If they're wrong, the implications surely aren't drastic. If he's a bust... so what? Their Job is to evaluate talent, and talent does sometimes come from the C.F.L. Let's be critical when it makes sense to be. Joe Horn, Jeff Garcia, and Brendon Ayanbadejo all came from the C.F.L. Let's not all go crazy yet... damn. __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

01-04-2007, 11:07 PM	#72
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: A Signing Already?! Page 5 and counting. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

01-04-2007, 11:41 PM	#74
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Re: A Signing Already?! Well, I'll say this. If we signed a Canadian it means someone, somewhere in the organization spent scouting time and resources in Canada rather than evaluating the upcoming draft and free agency. They didn't just sign him sight unseen, resources were expended here, and clearly those resources could be better utilized evaluating people who are have NFL level talent. Nice Canadian picks by the way, all QBs. And by the way, Joey, you hurled the first insults so don't act all surprised when someone gets a little ticked off with your tone.

01-04-2007, 11:50 PM	#75
Redskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: University of South Carolina Age: 36 Posts: 577	Re: A Signing Already?! Yea i mean who would think dan snider waiste dmoney researching a canadian, im intrested to see what this kids got. __________________ University Of South Carolina '11 Go Cocks and Go Skins #21#RIP Sean Taylor a TRUE Redskin#21# <--Hey wheres my green approval rating?

A Signing Already?!

Thread Hell