Casserly Keeping his options open

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Listen - I am not trying to fight amongst all you guys in that we are all presumably diehard fans of the Redskins and want the team to win today and 5 years from now. I hope that I am totally wrong next year and the Skins run the table and Gibbs wins the executive of the year award.

I just get frustrated when these free agents come to Washington to collect the huge bonus paychecks and laugh all the way to the bank. Even though it is Synder's money and I could care less about Synder, I want players to come to Washington because it should be an honor to wear the burgundy and gold and because they want a chance to play for the chmapionship.

Whoa, Bill! Keep it light. My intentions were for meant for humorous purposes only. Sorry for any misunderstandings.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If you're saying players are laughing all the way to the bank, the only one is AA. When Lloyd gets the ball thrown to him, he catches it 99% of the time.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If you're saying players are laughing all the way to the bank, the only one is AA. When Lloyd gets the ball thrown to him, he catches it 99% of the time.

I agree, i think LLoyd could be a monster in this offense (when given the chance).

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Since I had to leave the office for a while, I'll just respond in general to the others. Since hindsight is 20-20, can anyone say for sure that we'd be any worse for wear if we'd have RETAINED all those draft picks and/or money? It's not like there's been a year where we're like, "DAMMIT! If only we had the cap space to make that happen!!!" nor a year where we say, "Wow, if only we had that pick, we could have picked X player."

If we had a GM these previous years, we MIGHT not have Campbell, we'd either be dealing with Ramsey or some washed-up vet. There's a lot of choices and changes that would have been made. Would we even have selected Taylor in the draft?

True points - all I am saying is if we kept those draft picks maybe at least some of them work out and what is nice is they come at a relatively cheap price compared to the major free agent.

You nailed it with the Sean Taylor comparison to AA - Sean is worth way more than AA, but the Redskins have Taylor locked up for a long time at a reasonable contract compared to AA because they were able to draft him as opposed to having to lure him with big money. This really is the case with lower round picks as they don't command huge signing bonuses. Plus if the Redskins are going to shell out major bucks for free agents doesn't it make more sense to keep your home grown talent who already are familar with your system than to bring in an outsider who will have to get adjusted (like Andre Carter or Brandon Llyod) and have to give up draft picks in the process?

With more draft picks you have a higher chance of getting some of them right because of you have more chips to play with.

Also signing cheaper rookie contracts compred to bring in expensive outside free agents allows your team to have the cap space to resign upcoming free agent players on your own team who are considered really good (i.e. Chris Cooley) plus you have space to sign valuable backups like a Todd Wade in case you get an injuries which almost every team in the NFL sustains.

[Beemnseven]

I don't think you can chalk up the moves that were made to the "hindsight is 20/20" excuse. Many people around the league and fans at this website openly questioned the need for those moves. The skeptics were all right, and the kool-aid drinkers were all wrong -- just as they were about the preseason.

Look, the bottom line is that we are 21-25 since Gibbs came back with all the personnel decisions he's made. The same philosophy before Gibbs got here garnered the same results.

We know which strategy doesn't work. Why do we keep doing it?

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Whoa, Bill! Keep it light. My intentions were for meant for humorous purposes only. Sorry for any misunderstandings.

No problem.

I am giving up the GM issues entirely at this point because most of the posters are sick of it and it is most likley a moot point anyway because Gibbs has stated things are not changing at the Park.

Sorry for any misunderstandings to you guys.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

In short, I'll just say this about the GM issues. If we have the successes we've had over the past three years with player acquisition and talent evaluation, GM or no, I'll be happy. The majority of our picks have panned out. There aren't many teams that can say that.

[Hog1]

There are 32 teams in the league. How many have a GM, or reasonable facimile..........31? How many are truly successful with their GM, talent evaluation, player aquisition? 20%, 15%??????

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I've posted this before, but here are a few points that need to be addressed when anyone defends the personnel decision making of Joe Gibbs the Personnel Decision Maker:

--Giving former wideout Darnerian McCants a $2 million bonus a week before he was declared inactive and subsequently released...

--Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...

--Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...

--Letting go of Antonio Pierce, who's made it his career long vendetta to bring his game of the year performance every time he plays the Redskins...

--Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...

--Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...

--Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...

--Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...

--Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?

--The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.

These are not the moves of a smart front office.

Look at the sports page of the Washington Times today. If anyone can post it's a good article.

[skinsfan69]

I would not have a problem is CC coming back to our front office. Since he has left things have been pretty bad. When he left (if anyone can remember) he set the team up really good. He left it in real good shape. And the Texans problems are not all his fault.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would not have a problem is CC coming back to our front office. Since he has left things have been pretty bad. When he left (if anyone can remember) he set the team up really good. He left it in real good shape. And the Texans problems are not all his fault.

So he gets credit for the good things, but no blame for when things haven't worked out??

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Hog1

There are 32 teams in the league. How many have a GM, or reasonable facimile..........31? How many are truly successful with their GM, talent evaluation, player aquisition? 20%, 15%??????

No one denies this. No one ever said it was easy to succeed in this league. Player acquisition is a tricky business, and plain 'ol luck is a large part of it.

The problem we have is, the same strategy is being used over and over again with the same pathetic results. Even since Gibbs' return, the "hits" that front office defenders are so quick to point out have amounted to a 21-25 record!

I don't think anyone assumes that once we have someone in Redskin Park with "General Manager" on his office door the fortunes of this team will magically lead us straight to a Lombardi Trophy. But it's all about what direction you're headed in, and whether you've experienced enough to learn from your past mistakes. I've said this over and over, and I'm growing tired of saying it -- but we know which strategy with regard to player-personnel doesn't work. Getting away from that philosophy -- regardless of the title of the person that changes it -- will signal that this organization is at least on the right track.

[MTK]

Just curious, what will it say for this current front office if the team makes the playoffs again next year?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just curious, what will it say for this current front office if the team makes the playoffs again next year?

2 playoff seasons and 2 losing seasons? I'd call that a mixed bag, inconsistency.

What do you call a 21-25 overall record?

More importantly, what would you call it if Joe Gibbs weren't the head coach and team president?

[The Zimmermans]

I think we just need gibbs to evaluate talent on his own or not at all. He picked campbell, which seems to be working out, he picked brunell....who DID take us to the playoffs....he didn't pick ARCH. The key is for there to be one final decision maker, not three. With three, you get three different gameplans, three different approaches, three different needs. So Gibbs needs to step up and take full responsibility or lay off completely with personnel.