A Tale of Two Teams...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Antonio Brown was the sole reason for the playoff run??

Ok. If you really believe that this conversation is dead.

That's one of the worst takes I've ever heard.

You can pick the entire season apart play by play and say if it wasn't for this play, or if it wasn't for that play there would have been no playoffs.

It's totally ridiculous to boil it down to one play and proclaim that was the sole reason. Totally ridiculous.

I don't see how Daseal could have said the quality of this site has gone down when we have such insightful analysis as Antonio Brown was the sole reason we made the playoffs last year.

Here I thought it was Nick Novak hitting the game winner against Seattle, Santana catching two touchdowns in the final four minutes at Dallas, Clinton Portis scoring three touchdowns against San Francsisco. Chris Cooley with nearly 800 yards receiving, Mark Brunell with 23 touchdown passes, Sean Taylor scooping up a fumble and returning it for a touchdown against Philadelphia, Philip Daniels with four sacks against the Cowboys...here I thought it was the team. Silly me, it was all thanks to Antonio Brown.

[The Zimmermans]

Antonio Brown haha, that guy was a fumbled a game away for us last year. Rock or Randel El might have returned that for 6 as well.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't see how Daseal could have said the quality of this site has gone down when we have such insightful analysis as Antonio Brown was the sole reason we made the playoffs last year.

Here I thought it was Nick Novak hitting the game winner against Seattle, Santana catching two touchdowns in the final four minutes at Dallas, Clinton Portis scoring three touchdowns against San Francsisco. Chris Cooley with nearly 800 yards receiving, Mark Brunell with 23 touchdown passes, Sean Taylor scooping up a fumble and returning it for a touchdown against Philadelphia, Philip Daniels with four sacks against the Cowboys...here I thought it was the team. Silly me, it was all thanks to Antonio Brown.

I'm waiting on a text from the Schwab for a ruling!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by MattyK

Ok. If you really believe that this conversation is dead.

And yet we’re still having it.

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't see how Daseal could have said the quality of this site has gone down when we have such insightful analysis as Antonio Brown was the sole reason we made the playoffs last year.

If you don’t think Antonio Brown’s TD return was as pivotal a play as me, fine. We can disagree. I happen to think it was the single biggest play that saved the 2005 season. Forgive me if that analysis is “insightful” enough for you.

You don’t think the fortunes of a team can come down to one play? You don’t think Lavar Arrington’s interception return for a touchdown against Carolina in 2001 didn’t provide the spark for what was the biggest turnaround in NFL history? Many have said that those two touchdown catches by Santana Moss were what ultimately buried the Cowboys last year, and sent them into a rut from which they never recovered.

In a game where emotions run high and momentum can swing on just one key block, a sack, or an interception, you never know which single snap will ignite the players into a fury that starts a winning streak, or sends them swirling down the toilet bowl.

So yes, I stand by my statement. Sometimes, it does come down to one play.

[SmootSmack]

The issue I have with your statement Beem is that you imply (and maybe I'm missing the point completely) that only the Redskins have that one pivotal play. But every team has them. And the arguement can me made that with such a relatively short season, each game is just a collection of pivotal plays. Except for the very very top teams in each conference, the rest of the teams are fighting for those final playoff spots and getting there making a pivotal play in a game here and stopping the opponent from making one in a play there. Whoever has made the most and given up the least wins.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

The issue I have with your statement Beem is that you imply (and maybe I'm missing the point completely) that only the Redskins have that one pivotal play.

No -- in my very last post, I mentioned the Cowboys, who's fortunes, I believe, turned on those two TD passes to Moss.

Of course it's not just the Redskins. Many teams throughout the league have pivotal plays that can make or break their season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

No -- in my very last post, I mentioned the Cowboys, who's fortunes, I believe, turned on those two TD passes to Moss.

Of course it's not just the Redskins. Many teams throughout the league have pivotal plays that can make or break their season.

Ok, so then is the NFL just primarily comprised of fluke teams?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Ok, so then is the NFL just primarily comprised of fluke teams?

I don't think he's saying that. I think he's saying teams won't make it without luck, and those pivotal plays help a teams momentum. If they go against you, it hurts your momentum.
There is no such thing as a fluke team. Either they perform, or they don't. What makes a good team, a great one, are those plays and luck.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Ok, so then is the NFL just primarily comprised of fluke teams?

Define "fluke team". Define "fluke" plays.

Pivotal plays do not necessarily mean "fluke" plays.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I don't think he's saying that. I think he's saying teams won't make it without luck, and those pivotal plays help a teams momentum. If they go against you, it hurts your momentum.
There is no such thing as a fluke team. Either they perform, or they don't. What makes a good team, a great one, are those plays and luck.

Fair enough. I can agree with that. And I understand that. "Antonio Brown is the sole reason we made they playoffs" I just don't see how that makes any sense.

But whatever, it's a waste of everyone's time to keep belaboring this point. I think Beem is wrong, he thinks I'm wrong. I say tomayto, he says tomahto....

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Fair enough. I can agree with that. And I understand that. "Antonio Brown is the sole reason we made they playoffs" I just don't see how that makes any sense.

But whatever, it's a waste of everyone's time to keep belaboring this point. I think Beem is wrong, he thinks I'm wrong. I say tomayto, he says tomahto....

Well that's crazy!!!


Everyone KNOWS it's tomayto!!!

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I really think the issue is more with scouting than whether or not we have someone who is a "general manager"

I think that's a great point. As the leader of the team, JG is dependent upon the input he receives from scouts and coaches. If that group feeds him bad info, and he trusts their judgement, then there is not much to stop him from making an unfortunate choice. The only problem I have is that after his scouts screw the pooch multiple times, get rid of them. I think loyalty can really hurt you and it seems as though Gibbs is one of the most, if not the most, loyal people in the game.