The Redskins Suck!!!!!!

[61cad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Apparently he's more stable than that damn CBA.

Gee Matty you win!

[MTK]

I know.

thanks.

[SmootSmack]

Matty 1, 61cad 0

[61cad]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Matty 1, 61cad 0

Tafkas..........King of late hits away from the play.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

IT'S THE HOLIDAY SEASON PEOPLE! Can't we stop all this a'fussin' and a'feudin'?!?!? Think of the children, the god damn children!

And hess, I agree that we brought in Duckett for the short yardage plays and that he should have been able to get that TD, but he got stopped because Saunders tried to run him to the outside, again. The man is like a human bowling ball, when are they going to learn not to run him to the outside?!?!

{I'm now humming 'Peace on Earth' like at the end of the Charlie Brown Christmas special}

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 61cad

Tafkas..........King of late hits away from the play.

I am the bad guy after all

[61cad]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I am the bad guy after all

I thought you and Matty were cool like that?

Or did you forget?

[SmootSmack]

Listen, just because you're too ignorant to not have known the CBA was extended last spring and then, even worse, too stubborn to admit you were wrong just so you could continue bitching and moaning don't take it out on me or anyone else here.

Yeah, everyone is upset with the way the season has gone. But if you're going to complain at least have some clue what you're complaining about.

[The Zimmermans]

Monday Morning = Redskins suck threads. Too bad it's become a common theme this season

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 61cad

Tafkas..........King of late hits away from the play.

TAFKAS is just keeping score. No late hits here, you didn't even get off a play.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

A "ton" of talent? Outside of Moss and maybe Portis, where is the "ton of talent"?

Moss and Portis are givens.

Let's look at Betts -- more rushing yards than the following guys: McGahee, Kevin Jones, Cadillac Williams, DeShaun Foster, etc... with a 4.7 ypc average. On pace for a thousand yard season despite not even starting in 7 games. Talent? Check.

Chris Cooley -- 9th among all TE's in yardage this year, 6th in TD catches. Better yards per catch than Gonzo and Gates. And he's having an "off" year. Talent? Check.

Rock Cartwright -- #4 in the league in return yards this season, already broke 1000, one of only two guys this season to have 100 yard returns, one of only 5 guys this season to score kickoff return TD's. Talent? Check.

On the defense, the entire unit is underachieving, but you've got a 100+ tackle guy in MWash who is having easily one of his worst years ever, but Sean Taylor is tied for second in tackles among all safeties, and sad luck Carlos Rogers is only a couple of tackles below Champ Frickin Bailey this season, 7th among all CB's. Obviously he's got no INT's because he apparently can't catch them this year, but surely all these guys are talented.

I'll leave the obvious QB and line positions alone, since they're likely to inspire violence, and quite frankly, there isn't enough evidence to prove the talent level there. But, we've allowed just 17 sacks this season, for ~130 yards, which is not bad at all.

Where we DO have problems is in penalties, poor clock management, missed opportunities in playcalling, and a lot of other things that don't show up on the stat sheet, but are symptomatic of a team without solid chemistry and leadership, and that will come if we can stop screwing around with the team every year.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

You had me going until you brought up Rogers. He gets all those tackles because teams pick on him. In fact, he's probably a big part of the reason that Taylor has as many tackles as he does. Likewise, Champ's numbers are usually lower than you'd expect because teams don't throw the ball near him. He has 6 INTs this season on God only knows how many chances.
I wish Rogers was half as good as Champ.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

A "ton" of talent? Outside of Moss and maybe Portis, where is the "ton of talent"? And if this team truly is overloaded with talent, what does it say of this coaching staff that hasn't been able to translate it into wins?

Lloyd, Randle El, Archuleta, and Carter were the only major additions at pivotal positions. The rest of these guys have had about as much playing time as most teams get. How many seasons do they need?

Many fans are in for a rude awakening when they discover how deeply flawed this organization is at its very roots.

Cooley
Washington
Springs
Frost
Betts
Sellers
Taylor
Jansen
Daniels
Dockerty (sp?)
Randle El
Lloyd
JC
Carter
Fox

.... TALENT, TALENT, TALENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They need to play together for more than a few years to get good and gel. We were damn close last year but then staffing changes were made and we moved around a lot of players. This season was a learning experience and they WILL learn from it. HAIL!

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He made that mistake once, not sure what you mean by he's always doing that.

I shouldn't have been so specific. He has made a few bad decisions when trying to avoid a sack -- not necessarily being spun around each and every time.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

You had me going until you brought up Rogers. He gets all those tackles because teams pick on him. In fact, he's probably a big part of the reason that Taylor has as many tackles as he does. Likewise, Champ's numbers are usually lower than you'd expect because teams don't throw the ball near him. He has 6 INTs this season on God only knows how many chances.
I wish Rogers was half as good as Champ.

As I've said on a number of occasions, when it comes to comparing players I rely on stats, rather than anecdotal or emotional evaluations. Probably due to playing too much FF. That said, I also (thought?) I said that Carlos was having a pretty bad year, and you would expect a decent NFL CB to have a decent number of INT's. We've seen Carlos have at least 2 or 3 sure picks he dropped this year, sometimes you just get into a mental rut and bad things happen repeatedly. If he makes those plays, I think we have a much different opinion of the guy. Ed Reed gets beat a lot in coverage, but when he makes the big play all is forgiven.

And I certainly wasn't trying to say Carlos is as good as Champ, just pointing out that he IS talented, just playing really poorly this year. But who on the defense isn't?