Dazed And Confused!

[Daseal]

Isn't it the coaches fault for dishing away solid players for new sexy players and having that fail, thus forcing remaining players to get used to someone elses playstyle, new faces, new everything. This team is a mess and squarly in the lap of Joe Gibbs. He's no longer immune to the criticism from fans. I like to give my coaches 3 years to get things straight. 2/3 losing seasons isn't so hot, pair that with one improbable run to the playoffs and some really exciting games.

I cant comment on the Beathard comments, I wasn't really aware of football at that point, but I think many of the comments Offiss makes here have merit. Can anyone really argue that Gibbs has done a good job with talent evaluations and draft picks?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

that's the dumbest shit i have ever read!gibbs won his last superbowl and casserley was the gm,beathard had left.if you are so good at coaching and seeing things nobody else sees,go to redskins park and apply for a job! the man is not in the hall of fame because of bobby beathard,jack kent cooke,or jack the ripper.he's in it because he knows the game,and he knows how to win losing is'nt all the coaches fault,i have'nt seen gibbs or any of the other coaches drop a pass,miss a tackle,or committ a penalty have you?

OK now that we have gotten through the Gibbs is God and can do no wrong crew I will break down some of your ignorance, where do you think the talent from that team came from? Casserly? Gibbs? NO! it was left behind by BB, kind of ironic that Gibbs first duty as GM with his lacky Casserly [who did wonders in houston] was a complete and utter bust in Desmond Howard, especially when we needed D-line help at that point, Gibbs gave up 2 #1's in a draft loaded with star D-linemen for [guess what else is new] more offensive players, then see's the team is about finished talent wise and needs to be rebuilt and quit's, that about sum it up?

As for applying for a job? It would be a waste of time, they don't have enough football intelligence to make that hire!!!!!!

i have'nt seen gibbs or any of the other coaches drop a pass,miss a tackle,or committ a penalty have you?

No I haven't seen that either, he's just dropped the ball by bringing in players or keeping players around who as you have stated can't seem to do the simple things, unlike the players BB used to bring in.

the man is not in the hall of fame because of bobby beathard,jack kent cooke,or jack the ripper.he's in it because he knows the game,and he knows how to win

Well he's done nothing so far to prove otherwise. Take a good look we are going backwards not forwards!

[SmootSmack]

Ryan Leaf....Ryan Leaf....Ryan Leaf....

To give all the credit for the Redskins' success to Beathard and none to Gibbs is remarkably ignorant.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Not to take away from what Beathard has accomplished in his career-he was very instrumental to the success of the Redskins in the 1980s-but there were many many more lean years than good years during Beathard's tenure in San Diego. The Chargers going to the Super Bowl was as much a fluke as the Capitals going to the Stanley Cup back in 1998. And have we forgotten the great Beathard was the one who went hard after Ryan Leaf? Why don't we rake him over the coals for that?

And can someone please explain to Offiss the difference between "here" and "hear"??

And last but not least. Does anyone else get the impression that Offiss fantasizes about threeways with Beathard and Ramsey?

The Chargers going to the Super Bowl was as much a fluke as the Capitals going to the Stanley Cup back in 1998.

Kind of like our playoff run last year, 1 giant fluke!!!!!!!

And last but not least. Does anyone else get the impression that Offiss fantasizes about threeways with Beathard and Ramsey?

Remember you are the one who stated you really are looking forward to visiting greece in the fire Saunders and Williams thread.

There can be no more latent homosexuality than the undying defense for Gibbs and Brunell.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

There can be no more latent homosexuality than the undying defense for Gibbs and Brunell.

Unless you're talking about the undying defense for Beathard and Ramsey.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Remember you are the one who stated you really are looking forward to visiting greece in the fire Saunders and Williams thread.

There can be no more latent homosexuality than the undying defense for Gibbs and Brunell.

Um....ok.

[Dogtag]

I will admit upfront that I was on business travel and totally missed the Philly game on Sunday. However poorly the Redskins apparantly played on Sunday it has to be better than the source DRIVEL of this thread.

It is bad enough to lose to Philly, but is all this salt-in-the-wound emotional rhetoric really necessary. I just don't buy into the misery loves company philosophy when it applies to an entertainment.

[FRPLG]

I woud argue vehemently that this is not the best offense on paper he has ever had. I would say our our struggles on the o-line are a function of talent and age. Let's be honest here, Samuels isn't the player we'd like him to be, Jansen has started showing age, Dockery is a serviceable Guard at most, same with Rabach, and Thomas is either showing his age or isn't totally back from the injury last year. So all in all our line is average. Our backs are solid to great. Our WRs are good. Our QB situation is obviously a weakness. The teams Gibbs had in the 80's had NO holes on offense. They were pro bowl accross the board on o-line and were great at WR. Sollid at RB and good at QB. This offense is average in talent compared to those.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Gibbs is a terrible personnel guy and Snyder would rather hire a puppet to be GM than hire somebody good.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Ryan Leaf....Ryan Leaf....Ryan Leaf....

To give all the credit for the Redskins' success to Beathard and none to Gibbs is remarkably ignorant.

Hey to call out BB on one pick is really not fair, we all know he wanted Manning but had to settle for Leaf, that is an awfully tough judgement on him, did he get it wrong? Absolutly! But the NFL was almost split about which player Leaf or Manning would be better, nobody is perfect, but BB has been right far far greater than he's been wrong, can that be said about Gibbs as a personel man?

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

OK now that we have gotten through the Gibbs is God and can do no wrong crew I will break down some of your ignorance, where do you think the talent from that team came from? Casserly? Gibbs? NO! it was left behind by BB, kind of ironic that Gibbs first duty as GM with his lacky Casserly [who did wonders in houston] was a complete and utter bust in Desmond Howard, especially when we needed D-line help at that point, Gibbs gave up 2 #1's in a draft loaded with star D-linemen for [guess what else is new] more offensive players, then see's the team is about finished talent wise and needs to be rebuilt and quit's, that about sum it up?

As for applying for a job? It would be a waste of time, they don't have enough football intelligence to make that hire!!!!!!



No I haven't seen that either, he's just dropped the ball by bringing in players or keeping players around who as you have stated can't seem to do the simple things, unlike the players BB used to bring in.



Well he's done nothing so far to prove otherwise. Take a good look we are going backwards not forwards!

i think you have been watching too many hitler and goebbels highlights,and then you decided to take up the unabombers manifesto or something!bobby beathard was at best a descent gm.he may have been the gm,but gibbs built the players,and the staff.if you think that the game of football has passed gibbs by,you're further down the road to insanity we all think you are.go seek help for your bi polar condition,it will kill you if you do'nt!

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Hey to call out BB on one pick is really not fair, we all know he wanted Manning but had to settle for Leaf, that is an awfully tough judgement on him, did he get it wrong? Absolutly! But the NFL was almost split about which player Leaf or Manning would be better, nobody is perfect, but BB has been right far far greater than he's been wrong, can that be said about Gibbs as a personel man?

do you have a cardboard cutout of the man at your home in which you bow and pray to several times a day?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Unless you're talking about the undying defense for Beathard and Ramsey.

BRAVOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

i think you have been watching too many hitler and goebbels highlights,and then you decided to take up the unabombers manifesto or something!bobby beathard was at best a descent gm.he may have been the gm,but gibbs built the players,and the staff.if you think that the game of football has passed gibbs by,you're further down the road to insanity we all think you are.go seek help for your bi polar condition,it will kill you if you do'nt!

bobby beathard was at best a descent gm.

That is all anyone needs to know about your football intellect.

[Redskins_P]

This thread cracks me up. The only time Offiss ever starts a new thread its to bash Gibbs, but when we win he's no where to be found. He just loves to piss on Gibbs. And he has this huge infatuation with Ramsey.