Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

It'd be pretty quiet around here if there weren't.

I know.

Losing brings out all the armchair geniuses. That's not meant as a slam towards you, just a general comment.

[celts32]

Joe Gibbs has always been somewhat conservative. Those fake punts and 4th down gambles you speak of were few and far between.

Everyone wants to blame this person and that person for why they lose...plain and simple the redskins lost the line of scrimmage on Sunday on both sides of the ball.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by celts32

Joe Gibbs has always been somewhat conservative. Those fake punts and 4th down gambles you speak of were few and far between.

Everyone wants to blame this person and that person for why they lose...plain and simple the redskins lost the line of scrimmage on Sunday on both sides of the ball.

Bingo - bammo. Post of the day, right there. And celts is exactly right -- Gibbs has never been a "oh the hell with it" gambler. Sure, he'll call for a flea-flicker or an option pass in the right situation, but do you ever wonder if he still believes he has Mark Moseley or Chip Lohmiller warming up on the sidelines ready to boot one easily down the middle for 50 yards?

Not only that, I believe it sometimes escapes him that the defense takes over at the spot of the kick, not the original line of scrimmage, on a missed field goal.

Whichever, it speaks volumes about his confidence in the offensive line.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Bingo - bammo. Post of the day, right there. And celts is exactly right -- Gibbs has never been a "oh the hell with it" gambler. Sure, he'll call for a flea-flicker or an option pass in the right situation, but do you ever wonder if he still believes he has Mark Moseley or Chip Lohmiller warming up on the sidelines ready to boot one easily down the middle for 50 yards?

Not only that, I believe it sometimes escapes him that the defense takes over at the spot of the kick, not the original line of scrimmage, on a missed field goal.

Whichever, it speaks volumes about his confidence in the offensive line.

This team with Brunell is starting to remind me of the '85 team with a fast fading Theismann. That team had virtually no downfield passing game until the play after LT ended Theismann's career. That first play was a 40 yard laser from Schroeder to Monk. Brunell may have enough left to steal an occasional win from a good team as he did last week, but he's inconsistent enough to have 100-yard passing games with alarming frequency.

[mike340]

I cringed on 3rd down and 1 when we passed, and cried out "what is he thinking" on 4th and 1 when they went for the FG. Down 16-3 the FG didn't make a difference...not because of the number of scores, but because the Giants hadn't had to punt once the whole game. I "knew" they would get some more points, and we wouldn't get a chance for many more drives. If we had our normal defense I would have been OK with it. In short,
Gibbs is a great coach, but we all make mistakes. This, I feel, was one of his.

[MightyJoeGibbs]

Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer

Who the heck is Mary Schottemhiemer????????????

[Rexi]

Originally Posted by MightyJoeGibbs

Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer

Who the heck is Mary Schottemhiemer????????????

Marty's alter ego when he's feelin' sexy.

[chris36]

OK, I said Mary to imply, that football is a mans game. Lets call it like men!!!

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by chris36

OK, I said Mary to imply, that football is a mans game. Lets call it like men!!!

schottenheimer

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yes, it was a bad coaching decision, and if Hall makes it, it's still a two-score game in a contest where your offense is struggling anyway. It's not as simple as "TAKE THE POINTS" anymore with John Hall. 42 yards for him is not automatic like it was 5 years ago. You have nothing to show for a productive drive when you miss a field goal too. One yard was all they needed -- one stinking yard.

Outside runner or not, Clinton Portis is supposed to get you one yard when you need it. Even if you think Portis isn't the right guy for 4th and 1, then why did they bring in T.J. Duckett?

I agree with you now, given the newly discovered status of Hall during the game. He wasn't healthy at that point. Gibbs knew he wasn't healthy... bad call, run on 4th and 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Duckett was inactive for the game. That's why you can't bring in Duckett. I simply think that it would have been a very tough yard...as opposed to one stinking one. In the meadowlands, we weren't getting anything done, so it wouldn't suprise me if we couldn't muster the strength to get that one extra yard. I'll climb within 2 scores before i'll risk going for it on 4th and 1 in NY every time, especially given the context of this particular game.

[LBrown43]

Originally Posted by illdefined

I'll comment. not toughing out that 4th and 1 in a tough divisional away game when you're behind sent a direct message to the offense that they weren't believed in. and they played accordingly after that.

huge missed opportunity. and i think Gibbs's first real apparent mistake this season. regardless if the FG was made or not.

I was there and they looked like they did not believe in themselves all day. It was not something that was revealed after the field goal attempt.
Two straight years of going to Giant's Stadium with my son and the second straight year of extreem disappointment. They were not the team that played the Jaguars and they did not play as if this were a divisional rival. There was no spark.
I don't second guess Gibbs. Not because he is Joe Gibbs but because he knows a whole lot more about NFL football than any of us.

[Mauicruzer]

i cant doubt Joe Gibbs the man has done so much for the Redskins and NFL. That being said i would of loved to see them pound it with Clinton or TJ get the first down and continue that momentum changing drive.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I agree with you now, given the newly discovered status of Hall during the game. He wasn't healthy at that point. Gibbs knew he wasn't healthy... bad call, run on 4th and 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Duckett was inactive for the game. That's why you can't bring in Duckett. I simply think that it would have been a very tough yard...as opposed to one stinking one. In the meadowlands, we weren't getting anything done, so it wouldn't suprise me if we couldn't muster the strength to get that one extra yard. I'll climb within 2 scores before i'll risk going for it on 4th and 1 in NY every time, especially given the context of this particular game.

Duckett was active. Even so, they gave the ball to Portis on the goal line last week against Jacksonville. I'm not as convinced as everyone else seems to be that Portis is useless in short yardage.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by LBrown43

I was there and they looked like they did not believe in themselves all day. It was not something that was revealed after the field goal attempt.
Two straight years of going to Giant's Stadium with my son and the second straight year of extreem disappointment. They were not the team that played the Jaguars and they did not play as if this were a divisional rival. There was no spark.
I don't second guess Gibbs. Not because he is Joe Gibbs but because he knows a whole lot more about NFL football than any of us.

a field goal never caused a turnoaround spark, much less a missed one. in fact, aside from a turnover, there's nothing more deflating especially after the longest sustained drive all game.

i know they didn't believe in themselves, making it on 4th and 1 was just the situation to get some confidence and get back into the game. alas, Gibbs/Saunders played like they were already beaten and the team accepted it.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by chris36

I hate to say it, but Joe is becoming to concervative. In his first go around he was a risk taker. Now he plays not loose.

Is that the same as tight?