If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article

mooby · 07-07-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Hey guys, remember that time roy williams got burned twice by Santana and lost he game for the cowboys on nationat TV? That was pretty awesome.

When did that happen? Surely you can't be talking about All-Pro 3 Time Pro Bowler Roy Williams? Must be some other guy, because i know that RoyGod would never do something as bad as that.

htownskinfan · 07-07-2006, 01:37 AM

[QUOTE=FRPLG]Arch is not as bad in coverage as his rep would have you believe. He isn't great but he can do an average job.

average? for the money were paying him he better damn sight be better then average,he needs to make the probowl,we shouldnt be paying that kind of money for average

That Guy · 07-07-2006, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dirthogs311

I didnt agree with archuleta being over rated. I think he will excell in williams' defense and will be a great safety for the skins.

who would you have chosen to be our overrated player instead? AR-el? carter? samuels? has to be somebody, and i think that's the right call.

for under rated you also had marcus and griffin and cooley... taylor is actually better know than all those guys (maybe even combined).

i had real problems with both roth as overrated (W-L, SB) and carr as underrated (i honestly think he's just not that good).

BigSKINBauer · 07-07-2006, 06:54 AM

big ben is overrated. He is in an amazingly easy system for a QB. He proved himself in the playoffs a bit but he didn't in the super bowl. This article made me so happy. I hate williams

dmek25 · 07-07-2006, 07:25 AM

i do think williams is a bit over rated but.... i could easily see him along side sean taylor in our defensive back field.in the right system he could be a monster

#56fanatic · 07-07-2006, 09:51 AM

I am glad Sean if finally getting his due in the NFL. He is probably top 2 or 3 at his position. The thing I get so pissed off about is the kicking and beat down the give Arch in every article I read. They keep bringing up the coverage skills. One, he is playing in a totally different defense, it isn't the cover 2 crap they played in St Louis. Two, he will not be asked to cover guys for an extended period of time, due to the aggressive style of defense we play. Three, Sean is our better coverage safety anyway, plus I think Arch was in the plans when we all say Clark get run over by LT in overtime. I believe, if you dont tell me why, that Arch was brought in more to rush the passer as a blitzer and cover the run. I dont think he is going to be in pass coverage as most seem the think.

But, Sean "grim reeper" taylor is a total beast. PS. sorry if that is spelled wrong.

firstdown · 07-07-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I do think that Ben is overrated. Look at the situation that he landed in when Pittsburgh drafted him. He went to a team that has a solid ground attack, a good o-line, good receivers and one of the best defenses in the league, not to mention very good special teams play. Hell, I would bet that Eli or Phillip Rivers could have put up simialar numbers to Bens had Pittsburgh drafted one of them. IMO, Ben landed in the best situation imaginable for any young QB....

I would say you would be correct if this was a veteran QB. He is young and new to the NFL and thats the reason he is not overated. The guy has gone in and done everything that his team has needed and then some.

TheInspector · 07-07-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wonder if they've ever considered moving him to LB. Seems like a better fit there for him.

Definitely. A big hitter with minimal coverage abilities...sounds like someone else I know...

TheInspector · 07-07-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I am glad Sean if finally getting his due in the NFL. He is probably top 2 or 3 at his position. The thing I get so pissed off about is the kicking and beat down the give Arch in every article I read. They keep bringing up the coverage skills. One, he is playing in a totally different defense, it isn't the cover 2 crap they played in St Louis. Two, he will not be asked to cover guys for an extended period of time, due to the aggressive style of defense we play. Three, Sean is our better coverage safety anyway, plus I think Arch was in the plans when we all say Clark get run over by LT in overtime. I believe, if you dont tell me why, that Arch was brought in more to rush the passer as a blitzer and cover the run. I dont think he is going to be in pass coverage as most seem the think.

But, Sean "grim reeper" taylor is a total beast. PS. sorry if that is spelled wrong.

I agree. I think Greg Williams will use Arch to the best of his abilities (not the worst), which will probably mean more hitting and less coverage. You just gotta trust GW!

number21isabadman · 07-07-2006, 03:12 PM

exactly arch is a strong safety, just like roy plays less in coverage and more to the line of scrimmage for the run support. But roy had the reputation of being this all around badass safety which is truely not the case. He is in no way deserving of ed reeds contract figures.

offiss · 07-07-2006, 08:12 PM

I alway's liked AA, he's a big play type of saftey, we have to trust Williams eye for defensive talent that AA will be a significant upgrade over Clark.

Systems many times make the player as well as the technique that they are asked to play on defense, I believe Williams already knows how to use AA and which coverage techniques will best fit his attributes, players always seem to be much better in Williams defense than others, kind of like the old 9er's QB's everyone looked great in thier system, Same thing with Gibbs back in the day he was able to make a run of the mill QB look and play like an all pro, yet these players very rarely did much outside of those systems. Once Lovey Smith left the Rams thier defense went downhill AA still was able to shine. We will no very quickly if he was worth the money compartivly to the production Clark would have brought to the table? I liked Clark a lot but Williams must have seen something significantly better in AA to pay that kind of money and let Clark go. I believe he's right!

bigSkinsfan61 · 07-08-2006, 02:10 AM

roy willams is on the official santana moss x-mas card list or he shud be

skindogger47 · 07-08-2006, 02:46 PM

This article sucks. Ben Roethlisburger is not the most overrated player on the Steelers, Willie Green is. Or Joey Porter. Every other player he named as overrated seems to be a safety that isn't great in coverage, even strong safeties. And if Trent Green is underrated, I guess he deserves an MVP because hes been to the pro bowl.

skindogger47 · 07-08-2006, 02:52 PM

I also think that while he was a beast in college, Roy Williams owes Patrick Ramsey some credit for where he is today. He made P-ram look like a fool every time they played.

mooby · 07-08-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skindogger47

This article sucks. Ben Roethlisburger is not the most overrated player on the Steelers, Willie Green is. Or Joey Porter. Every other player he named as overrated seems to be a safety that isn't great in coverage, even strong safeties. And if Trent Green is underrated, I guess he deserves an MVP because hes been to the pro bowl.

Who is Willie Green? I don't think i've ever heard of him.

07-07-2006, 01:37 AM	#32
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 62 Posts: 4,906	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article [QUOTE=FRPLG]Arch is not as bad in coverage as his rep would have you believe. He isn't great but he can do an average job. average? for the money were paying him he better damn sight be better then average,he needs to make the probowl,we shouldnt be paying that kind of money for average

07-07-2006, 06:54 AM	#34
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article big ben is overrated. He is in an amazingly easy system for a QB. He proved himself in the playoffs a bit but he didn't in the super bowl. This article made me so happy. I hate williams

07-07-2006, 07:25 AM	#35
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article i do think williams is a bit over rated but.... i could easily see him along side sean taylor in our defensive back field.in the right system he could be a monster __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

07-07-2006, 09:51 AM	#36
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 50 Posts: 1,801	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I am glad Sean if finally getting his due in the NFL. He is probably top 2 or 3 at his position. The thing I get so pissed off about is the kicking and beat down the give Arch in every article I read. They keep bringing up the coverage skills. One, he is playing in a totally different defense, it isn't the cover 2 crap they played in St Louis. Two, he will not be asked to cover guys for an extended period of time, due to the aggressive style of defense we play. Three, Sean is our better coverage safety anyway, plus I think Arch was in the plans when we all say Clark get run over by LT in overtime. I believe, if you dont tell me why, that Arch was brought in more to rush the passer as a blitzer and cover the run. I dont think he is going to be in pass coverage as most seem the think. But, Sean "grim reeper" taylor is a total beast. PS. sorry if that is spelled wrong.

07-07-2006, 03:12 PM	#40
number21isabadman Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Age: 39 Posts: 157	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article exactly arch is a strong safety, just like roy plays less in coverage and more to the line of scrimmage for the run support. But roy had the reputation of being this all around badass safety which is truely not the case. He is in no way deserving of ed reeds contract figures.

07-07-2006, 08:12 PM	#41
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I alway's liked AA, he's a big play type of saftey, we have to trust Williams eye for defensive talent that AA will be a significant upgrade over Clark. Systems many times make the player as well as the technique that they are asked to play on defense, I believe Williams already knows how to use AA and which coverage techniques will best fit his attributes, players always seem to be much better in Williams defense than others, kind of like the old 9er's QB's everyone looked great in thier system, Same thing with Gibbs back in the day he was able to make a run of the mill QB look and play like an all pro, yet these players very rarely did much outside of those systems. Once Lovey Smith left the Rams thier defense went downhill AA still was able to shine. We will no very quickly if he was worth the money compartivly to the production Clark would have brought to the table? I liked Clark a lot but Williams must have seen something significantly better in AA to pay that kind of money and let Clark go. I believe he's right!

07-08-2006, 02:10 AM	#42
bigSkinsfan61 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: richmond va Age: 63 Posts: 252	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article roy willams is on the official santana moss x-mas card list or he shud be

07-08-2006, 02:46 PM	#43
skindogger47 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 43 Posts: 262	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article This article sucks. Ben Roethlisburger is not the most overrated player on the Steelers, Willie Green is. Or Joey Porter. Every other player he named as overrated seems to be a safety that isn't great in coverage, even strong safeties. And if Trent Green is underrated, I guess he deserves an MVP because hes been to the pro bowl.

07-08-2006, 02:52 PM	#44
skindogger47 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 43 Posts: 262	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I also think that while he was a beast in college, Roy Williams owes Patrick Ramsey some credit for where he is today. He made P-ram look like a fool every time they played.

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