Art Monk vs Michael Irvin

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Buster

Voted for Monk.

Art Monk 71%
Crackhead Racist 29%

What will King's response be to Monk smashing Irvin in this vote? He'll probably jsut say the fans don't understand what makes an HOF'er and that's why they can't vote or some sh*t like that. But isn't the Hall sort of for the fans, shouldn't we have a say?

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Dang I'm amazed. If he changes his mind I will hold him in very high regard, actually. It would prove that he's not stubborn, he's willing to reconsider his views, and that he doesn't consider himself infallible. I can't give him that credit yet. He's going to have to vote yes before I heap any praise on him.

Earn it, Peter!

Well why didn't he change his mind 5 years ago. He's still a moron and always will be. He's only thinking about changing his mind because going for Irvin instead of Monk is no longer the popular decision. The poll is 71-29 in favor of Monk. He obviously just decided that he might change his mind, or else he would have put Monk on his top 10. Peter King is still, and always will be a fat douchebag.

[MonkFan4Life]

I agree that both Monk and Irvin should be in the HOF. I didn't know Michael Irvin was a racist though. I read King's response, he can suck my balls because he's saving face. He realizes that there are a lot of Skins fans in the world that feel Monk should be in. He gets alot of emails from us that he actually posts online so just think of how many he get's that we never get to see. I sent him one after his Harry Carson explanation that never made the story. He's not a fan of one team maybe we should say he's a fan of one or two coaches. He constantly used Bill Parcells' comment about the Midgets (sorry if I offended anyone) never gameplanning for #81 as proof that Monk shouldn't be in. Fuck him and his face saving post ! If Irvin makes it I wouldn't protest because I think he should get in, the ONLY time I will make the trip to Canton is when Art Monk gets his bust put in the Hall of Fame. While we're on shafted Skins, why aren't ANY of the Hogs in ? One of the most dominant offensive lines to ever grace the football field and none of them have made it ? Harry Friggin Carson is in !

I APOLOGIZE FELLAS I MADE A MISTAKE IT'S CARSON NOT BANKS !!!!! SORRY FOR THAT !!!!!!!!!!

The Monk should be in, hopefully he'll make it next year !!

HAIL

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Well why didn't he change his mind 5 years ago. He's still a moron and always will be. He's only thinking about changing his mind because going for Irvin instead of Monk is no longer the popular decision. The poll is 71-29 in favor of Monk. He obviously just decided that he might change his mind, or else he would have put Monk on his top 10. Peter King is still, and always will be a fat douchebag.

When was taking Irvin over Monk ever the popular decision? Monk was a near miss over and over in Hall voting. The popular move has always been to put Monk in, but he hasn't.

I agree that PK is a big fat DeeBag on general principle and he should have put Monk in the hall a long time ago. But I'd gain some respect if he ultimately made the right choice. Better late than never. I'd like PK a lot better than Lenny P, who would eat broccoli before he'd ever admit to being wrong about anything.

[LBrown43]

King claims Irvin was the undisputable leader of the Cowboys? BS!! I hate the boys but Aikman and Smith were the leaders and are deserving. The poll results are now 70/30 in Monks favor. Is King the only guy who votes for the HOF? I thought with just stats alone he was a shoo in first ballot.....I really don't get the friction Art gets. Does class, talent and longevity mean nothing any longer?

[nosebleed]

Here is an article from Peter King about why Monk is not in the Hall

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../mmqbte/1.html

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He completed more than 64% of his passes. Even in the west coast offense, that's unbelieveable. No one else is even close to that. Not even Montana who played in the same system. For my money, only Elway, Marino, and Montana have achieved more greatness than Young.

Montana is extreamly close to Youngs 64% pass completion, with 63.7% just for playing with San Fran and a career of 63.2% pass completion. Strange how Young and Montana have very close completion percentages after playing in the same offense. Also with Montana's 63% passer completion comes 4 SB titles in 13 years that he played for San Fran. Youngs 64% passer completion only brings 1 SB title after playing for San Fran 13 years, only starting for 9 of those 13 years.

Originally Posted by dmek25

elway, favre and montana would be the only three on your list i would consider ahead of young. marino and moon put up monstorous numbers playing in a throw first offense with exactly 0 super bowl wins between them. in my eyes greatness almost always = championships

Like that guy had said then where would Brady and Bradshaw be? I am not sold on Brady yet either, by the way. Is he a good QB yes, but lets let him hae a career and not just 6 years, he still has a lot of football ahead of him. As for Bradshaw, he has some pretty bad stats, IMO.

According to pro-football-reference.com http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/BradTe00.htm

Bradshaw ranks in the top 50:
Pass Attempts: 38th
Completions: 45th
Passing Yards: 36th
Passing TD's: 21t

Also for his carrer Bradshaw has only threw 2 more TD's than he had thrown INT's, 212td's vs. 210int's, yet that is somehow HOF worthy...

I am not saying that Young wasnt good, all I am saying is that he was in a good system for him and had the best WR ever to throw to, and yet he still only managed to only win 1 SB!?!? Also, I just dont think that winning 1 SB with the best WR on your team puts you in the top 5 QB all time, IMO.

[5RINGS]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

His career was cut way short due to concussions (yeah #56). His numbers are pretty damn good for the years he played, plus winning 3 bowls. the guy deserves to be in the hall no matter what his numbers say against current members. Had he played another 5 years he would probably be in the top 5 in just about all catagories.

well put Fanatic.

I don't think Aikman is a Top Five QB, but he is a first ballot HOF'er. Whatever that means....

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by LBrown43

King claims Irvin was the undisputable leader of the Cowboys? BS!! I hate the boys but Aikman and Smith were the leaders and are deserving. The poll results are now 70/30 in Monks favor. Is King the only guy who votes for the HOF? I thought with just stats alone he was a shoo in first ballot.....I really don't get the friction Art gets. Does class, talent and longevity mean nothing any longer?

King only considers Irvin the leader of the team because Irvin was the mouthy, obnoxious one.

Ignorant people like King often confuse obnoxious behavior with leadership. Being a loudmouth doesn't make you a leader, it just makes you noisy.

FYI, just voted in the poll and it's 70-30 for Monk!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mheisig

King only considers Irvin the leader of the team because Irvin was the mouthy, obnoxious one.

Ignorant people like King often confuse obnoxious behavior with leadership. Being a loudmouth doesn't make you a leader, it just makes you noisy.

FYI, just voted in the poll and it's 70-30 for Monk!

I suppose King thinks Owens was the leader of the Eagles last year. Besides, he was on the news more than any other Eagle.

:smashfrea

[Kope]

IMO PK is knows Monk is going to get in soon and is oozing his slimy ass on to the band wagon. He reminds of one of that kid in school that was the biggest gossip - he never does anything himself just talks about others yap...yap...yap.

[D'BOYZ]

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[That Guy]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

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http://www.cowboysboard.com/

Is in Dallas Cowboys discussion under Irvin vs Monk

i somewhat odd monk lovefest on a cowboys board...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

I wonder how many Wr's in the HOF played with HOF QB's? That may also shed some light on their success compartiably to Monk. Jerry Rice played with 2, Ervin played with 1, how bout someone do a breakdown on that one, Tafkas you may be useful in this area.

OK. Well this is a really rudimentary breakdown-doesn't really get into how much the QB and WR played together-but here you are:

Lance Alworth-no HOFers really, except for Roger Staubach Alworth's final year. Interesting to note a copule of the QBs who threw to him while he was in San Diego, Don Breaux and Dan Henning

Raymond Berry-Johnny Unitas

Fred Biletnikoff-George Blanda. random stat alert-both Alworth and Biletnikoff caught passes from Dick Wood...too bad Vernon Davis (VD) wasn't around then

Tom Fears-Bob Waterfield, Norm Van Brocklin

Elroy Hirsch-Bob Waterfield, Norm Van Brocklin

Charlie Joiner-Dan Fouts

Steve Largent-none, though Dave Krieg does have some impressive statistics

Dante Lavelli-Otto Graham

James Lofton-Jim Kelly

Don Maynard-Joe Namath. Also, in 1960 and 61 his head coach was none other than Sammy Baugh and Maynard too was the proud recipient of Dick Wood passes. On a side note, looking at his numbers Joe Namath doesn't belong in the HOF. Is he in simply because of a guarantee?

Tommy McDonald-Sonny Jurgensen, Norm Van Brocklin

Bobby Mitchell-Len Dawson (but just a handful of plays), Sonny Jurgensen

Pete Pihos-None

John Stallworth-Terry Bradshaw

Lynn Swann-Terry Bradshaw

Charley Taylor-Sonny Jurgensen

Paul Warfield-None

[wolfeskins]

just read a king article were he says he has recieved 16 million e-mails from people saying monk should be in the hall.

so i sent king an e-mail, it says "why is it that 16 million people think monk should be in the HoF but you disagree ? you need to get over your grudge aginst the skins and give monk what he deserves, a place in the hall".