Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?

Sociofan · 04-13-2006, 06:39 PM

But to answer the original question in this thread, I think Ramsey had other backup QB offers, but he wanted a chance to compete for a starting role. I'm willing to bet that Gibbs and company tried to accommodate his wishes.

SmootSmack · 04-13-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sociofan

Well, other QB castoffs have gone on to have some pretty good careers with other teams:

Brett Favre (Falcons)
Trent Green (Redskins)
Tom Tupa (Cardinals)....oh yeah, but as a punter
Vinny Testaverde (Bucs)
Rich Gannon (Patriots)
Doug Flutie (Rams)
Jeff Rutledge (Rams)
Steve DeBerg (Cowboys)
Ron Jaworski (Rams)
.....Joe Theismann (Dolphins)
Hell, even Doug Williams as good as he was didn't win a SB until he came to Washington.

My point is that lots of QBs given up for dead end up with some pretty good careers after leaving the team that drafted them. I personally don't think the story has been completely written for Ramsey. Let's see.

Oh, and please don't review this list and tell me which draft picks were traded to get the QBs. If they were that important to their original team, they would not have been let go in a trade either. Even Ramsey got a 6th rounder.

One more for the road. Sonny Jurgenson was originally an Eagle for godsakes.

Jeff Rutledge??? I suppose he was in the league for a while but I doubt Ramsey aspires to a Rutledge-like career.

JET · 04-13-2006, 06:54 PM

I agree with what Socio said in his last post. The reason Ramsey went to the Jets is because they were the only potential trade partner willing to give Ramsey a shot at starting. I think that since Gibbs is such a nice guy he put PR in the best situation he could find even if it wasn't the one that benefitted the team the most.

I see several people like to dump on Offiss for thinking Ramsey has real upside. If Ramsey becomes the next Brees, will those people own up to being wrong? And if Ramsey doens't play better for the Jets than he did here, Offiss will you admit he isn't better than an average QB? Maybe some parameters could be set to define what would be a successful year for him, provided he gets to start.

And scowan, Moss made both QB's look good that game. It seems pretty unfair to Ramsey to talk about what a good catch that was, as if the throw was inconsequential. Watch the long TD Brunnell threw and the adjustment Moss made in that game. He was a great pickup, and a perfect example of how one organization can make good with a player that had a lackluster career elsewhere.

Master4Caster · 04-13-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sociofan

Well, other QB castoffs have gone on to have some pretty good careers with other teams:

Brett Favre (Falcons)
Trent Green (Redskins)
Tom Tupa (Cardinals)....oh yeah, but as a punter
Vinny Testaverde (Bucs)
Rich Gannon (Patriots)
Doug Flutie (Rams)
Jeff Rutledge (Rams)
Steve DeBerg (Cowboys)
Ron Jaworski (Rams)
.....Joe Theismann (Dolphins)
Hell, even Doug Williams as good as he was didn't win a SB until he came to Washington.

My point is that lots of QBs given up for dead end up with some pretty good careers after leaving the team that drafted them. I personally don't think the story has been completely written for Ramsey. Let's see.

Oh, and please don't review this list and tell me which draft picks were traded to get the QBs. If they were that important to their original team, they would not have been let go in a trade either. Even Ramsey got a 6th rounder.

One more for the road. Sonny Jurgenson was originally an Eagle for godsakes.

You could add Jake Plummer to that list. He blossomed with the right situation in Denver. Ramsey deserves a break and a fresh start. I hope he does well with the Jets, even though that's probably not ideal for him.

Schneed10 · 04-13-2006, 11:40 PM

Ramsey could model Vinny Testaverde's career. Or he could model Gus Frerotte's. He could model Rich Gannon's career. Then again he could be more like Ty Detmer.

If Ramsey gets the right situation, if Ramsey gets a decent surrounding cast, if Ramsey can deal with the NY media scrutiny, if Ramsey can mesh with a new coaching staff...

IF A FROG HAD WINGS HE WOULDN'T BUMP HIS ASS WHEN HE HOPS. Please don't come at me with all the possibilities that Ramsey may be destined to fulfill. He could turn out good, he could turn out bad. So while you're in fantasy land dreaming of him modeling Trent Dilfer's career, back in the here and now I'm noticing that he is a four year veteran who can't throw accurately when throwing more than 20 yards downfield, I'm noticing that he still holds the ball too long and takes sacks too much, and I'm noticing that he still throws just as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. Getting rid of him was the right move, I mean how long should we give the guy to find out if he's going to become the next Vinny Testaverde? Eight years? Ten years? How much patience should we have?

He could be good someday, true. That means a hill of beans to me. He's mediocre (at best) right now, and that's all we should care about as we're gearing up for a run deep into the 2006 playoffs.

Patience with a QB should not be infinite. The greatest QBs in the league never took as long to develop as guys like Vinny Testaverde. By their 4th year, you knew what you had in Tom Brady, in John Elway, in Dan Marino, and in Joe Montana. Who knows where Ramsey's going from here, but all I know is he's not where a "franchise QB" should be by his 4th year in the league.

The biggest reason for that? He's NOT a "franchise QB."

Redskins_P · 04-13-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ramsey could model Vinny Testaverde's career. Or he could model Gus Frerotte's. He could model Rich Gannon's career. Then again he could be more like Ty Detmer.

If Ramsey gets the right situation, if Ramsey gets a decent surrounding cast, if Ramsey can deal with the NY media scrutiny, if Ramsey can mesh with a new coaching staff...

IF A FROG HAD WINGS HE WOULDN'T BUMP HIS ASS WHEN HE HOPS. Please don't come at me with all the possibilities that Ramsey may be destined to fulfill. He could turn out good, he could turn out bad. So while you're in fantasy land dreaming of him modeling Trent Dilfer's career, back in the here and now I'm noticing that he is a four year veteran who can't throw accurately when throwing more than 20 yards downfield, I'm noticing that he still holds the ball too long and takes sacks too much, and I'm noticing that he still throws just as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. Getting rid of him was the right move, I mean how long should we give the guy to find out if he's going to become the next Vinny Testaverde? Eight years? Ten years? How much patience should we have?

He could be good someday, true. That means a hill of beans to me. He's mediocre (at best) right now, and that's all we should care about as we're gearing up for a run deep into the 2006 playoffs.

Patience with a QB should not be infinite. The greatest QBs in the league never took as long to develop as guys like Vinny Testaverde. By their 4th year, you knew what you had in Tom Brady, in John Elway, in Dan Marino, and in Joe Montana. Who knows where Ramsey's going from here, but all I know is he's not where a "franchise QB" should be by his 4th year in the league.

The biggest reason for that? He's NOT a "franchise QB."

I agree 100%. Well said Schneed10.

PhxRedSkin · 04-14-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

In the beginning there were several teams interested in Ramsey. Dolphins, Lions, Jets, and maybe a couple of more. Washington was asking way too much for him so teams went other routes, especially when Culpepper , breeze and other vets became available. I think he went to Jets because they were the only team on the table with a draft pick offer. No one really knows if he is a frachise QB or not. He does have what you look for, arm strengh, toughness, smarts, and we all know the kid has heart. To stand in there and take a beating like he did a couple of years ago answers that question. He needs a fresh start and an opportunity to become a starting QB. When he does, teams will then see if he is a good QB, which I think he will be.

Ramsey is gone for one reason only. He cost too much for our cap. Look what we've been able to do without his payroll. On Ramsey's behalf, I'd thought he'd be one of the next great QB's. It is too bad spurrier threw him to the wolves and didn't care about Patrick's physical well-being. As far as the post I'm quoting how about the part of "toughness"? I've never seen a QB take such a beating like '02 and '03. "Toughness" is not one of Patrick's problems. Hopefully he does pull a Brad Johnson on us, and someday win the SB just because he's such a stand up guy. He backed Brunell all the way, and yes he wanted to play. However did we make the playoffs last year? Did Ramsey sabtoge it in anyway? Did he not hit Moss on a standing ovation pass? All Ramsey wanted to do was be a Redskin, can you really blame or fault him? Good luck in Jersey Patrick.

Hail

PhxRedSkin · 04-14-2006, 09:41 AM

[quote=PhxRedSkin]Ramsey is gone for one reason only. He cost too much for our cap. Look what we've been able to do without his payroll. On Ramsey's behalf, I'd thought he'd be one of the next great QB's. It is too bad spurrier threw him to the wolves and didn't care about Patrick's physical well-being. As far as the post I'm quoting how about the part of "toughness"? I've never seen a QB take such a beating like '02 and '03. "Toughness" is not one of Patrick's problems. Hopefully he does pull a Brad Johnson on us, and someday win the SB just because he's such a stand up guy. He backed Brunell all the way, and yes he wanted to play. However did we make the playoffs last year? Did Ramsey sabtoge it in anyway? Did he not hit Moss on a standing ovation pass? All Ramsey wanted to do was be a Redskin, can you really blame or fault him? Good luck in Jersey Patrick.

Hail Gibbs

MTK · 04-14-2006, 10:15 AM

Ramsey was going to cost us about $1M against the cap this year, that's really not the main reason he's gone. He's gone because he wanted out, and because he wasn't in our long-term plans.

Schneed10 · 04-14-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PhxRedSkin

Ramsey is gone for one reason only. He cost too much for our cap. Look what we've been able to do without his payroll. On Ramsey's behalf, I'd thought he'd be one of the next great QB's. It is too bad spurrier threw him to the wolves and didn't care about Patrick's physical well-being. As far as the post I'm quoting how about the part of "toughness"? I've never seen a QB take such a beating like '02 and '03. "Toughness" is not one of Patrick's problems. Hopefully he does pull a Brad Johnson on us, and someday win the SB just because he's such a stand up guy. He backed Brunell all the way, and yes he wanted to play. However did we make the playoffs last year? Did Ramsey sabtoge it in anyway? Did he not hit Moss on a standing ovation pass? All Ramsey wanted to do was be a Redskin, can you really blame or fault him? Good luck in Jersey Patrick.

Hail

:confused:

Ramsey was going to cost us next to nothing against the salary cap. We could have easily carried his cap figure. Gibbs let him go because he wanted to reward him for his professionalism throughout the season.

firstdown · 04-14-2006, 11:39 AM

Alot of good QB's have come into this league and took a pounding their first couple of years. Some crumbled and some came through and became great QB's. So if people blame Patricks problems on his first couple of years I can only say that maybe he does not have what it takes. I myself don't blame his first couple of years and I realy have no idea if Ramsey does or does not have what it takes to succeed in the NFL. He kind of reminds me of Rod Gardner he looks so good at times and then looks so bad at other times. I did hear one guy on the NFL Network asked if Gibbs made a mistake by letting him go and he said "if Gibbs does not see the talent in Ramsey thats good enough for me".

#56fanatic · 04-14-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PhxRedSkin

Ramsey is gone for one reason only. He cost too much for our cap. Look what we've been able to do without his payroll. On Ramsey's behalf, I'd thought he'd be one of the next great QB's. It is too bad spurrier threw him to the wolves and didn't care about Patrick's physical well-being. As far as the post I'm quoting how about the part of "toughness"? I've never seen a QB take such a beating like '02 and '03. "Toughness" is not one of Patrick's problems. Hopefully he does pull a Brad Johnson on us, and someday win the SB just because he's such a stand up guy. He backed Brunell all the way, and yes he wanted to play. However did we make the playoffs last year? Did Ramsey sabtoge it in anyway? Did he not hit Moss on a standing ovation pass? All Ramsey wanted to do was be a Redskin, can you really blame or fault him? Good luck in Jersey Patrick.

Hail

what? He was like 1.something million. Gibbs didn't like him. Thought there was too much risk with him and turnovers. He wasn't accurate enough for him. I do agree in the regards to him being a class act. he was always the first guy out there congratulation Brunell after a TD. Ramsey wants to play, period! He will get a shot now.

04-13-2006, 06:39 PM	#31
Sociofan Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Gainesville, VA Age: 59 Posts: 380	Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets? But to answer the original question in this thread, I think Ramsey had other backup QB offers, but he wanted a chance to compete for a starting role. I'm willing to bet that Gibbs and company tried to accommodate his wishes.

04-13-2006, 06:54 PM	#33
JET Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Md Age: 51 Posts: 81	Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets? I agree with what Socio said in his last post. The reason Ramsey went to the Jets is because they were the only potential trade partner willing to give Ramsey a shot at starting. I think that since Gibbs is such a nice guy he put PR in the best situation he could find even if it wasn't the one that benefitted the team the most. I see several people like to dump on Offiss for thinking Ramsey has real upside. If Ramsey becomes the next Brees, will those people own up to being wrong? And if Ramsey doens't play better for the Jets than he did here, Offiss will you admit he isn't better than an average QB? Maybe some parameters could be set to define what would be a successful year for him, provided he gets to start. And scowan, Moss made both QB's look good that game. It seems pretty unfair to Ramsey to talk about what a good catch that was, as if the throw was inconsequential. Watch the long TD Brunnell threw and the adjustment Moss made in that game. He was a great pickup, and a perfect example of how one organization can make good with a player that had a lackluster career elsewhere.

04-13-2006, 11:40 PM	#35
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets? Ramsey could model Vinny Testaverde's career. Or he could model Gus Frerotte's. He could model Rich Gannon's career. Then again he could be more like Ty Detmer. If Ramsey gets the right situation, if Ramsey gets a decent surrounding cast, if Ramsey can deal with the NY media scrutiny, if Ramsey can mesh with a new coaching staff... IF A FROG HAD WINGS HE WOULDN'T BUMP HIS ASS WHEN HE HOPS. Please don't come at me with all the possibilities that Ramsey may be destined to fulfill. He could turn out good, he could turn out bad. So while you're in fantasy land dreaming of him modeling Trent Dilfer's career, back in the here and now I'm noticing that he is a four year veteran who can't throw accurately when throwing more than 20 yards downfield, I'm noticing that he still holds the ball too long and takes sacks too much, and I'm noticing that he still throws just as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. Getting rid of him was the right move, I mean how long should we give the guy to find out if he's going to become the next Vinny Testaverde? Eight years? Ten years? How much patience should we have? He could be good someday, true. That means a hill of beans to me. He's mediocre (at best) right now, and that's all we should care about as we're gearing up for a run deep into the 2006 playoffs. Patience with a QB should not be infinite. The greatest QBs in the league never took as long to develop as guys like Vinny Testaverde. By their 4th year, you knew what you had in Tom Brady, in John Elway, in Dan Marino, and in Joe Montana. Who knows where Ramsey's going from here, but all I know is he's not where a "franchise QB" should be by his 4th year in the league. The biggest reason for that? He's NOT a "franchise QB." __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

04-14-2006, 09:41 AM	#38
PhxRedSkin Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 49 Posts: 142	Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets? [quote=PhxRedSkin]Ramsey is gone for one reason only. He cost too much for our cap. Look what we've been able to do without his payroll. On Ramsey's behalf, I'd thought he'd be one of the next great QB's. It is too bad spurrier threw him to the wolves and didn't care about Patrick's physical well-being. As far as the post I'm quoting how about the part of "toughness"? I've never seen a QB take such a beating like '02 and '03. "Toughness" is not one of Patrick's problems. Hopefully he does pull a Brad Johnson on us, and someday win the SB just because he's such a stand up guy. He backed Brunell all the way, and yes he wanted to play. However did we make the playoffs last year? Did Ramsey sabtoge it in anyway? Did he not hit Moss on a standing ovation pass? All Ramsey wanted to do was be a Redskin, can you really blame or fault him? Good luck in Jersey Patrick. Hail Gibbs

04-14-2006, 10:15 AM	#39
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets? Ramsey was going to cost us about $1M against the cap this year, that's really not the main reason he's gone. He's gone because he wanted out, and because he wasn't in our long-term plans.

04-14-2006, 11:39 AM	#41
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets? Alot of good QB's have come into this league and took a pounding their first couple of years. Some crumbled and some came through and became great QB's. So if people blame Patricks problems on his first couple of years I can only say that maybe he does not have what it takes. I myself don't blame his first couple of years and I realy have no idea if Ramsey does or does not have what it takes to succeed in the NFL. He kind of reminds me of Rod Gardner he looks so good at times and then looks so bad at other times. I did hear one guy on the NFL Network asked if Gibbs made a mistake by letting him go and he said "if Gibbs does not see the talent in Ramsey thats good enough for me".

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