How Can We Improve?

GTripp0012 · 03-31-2006, 07:57 PM

It's worked for this long, so there is no reason to believe it won't blow over. Unless there is something else we aren't being told.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-31-2006, 08:06 PM

Trust me guys, it's not in any way about money. I haven't seen a dime as a mod. I paid money to keep the site going.

Big C · 03-31-2006, 08:40 PM

kinda intrigued by the prospect of 2 sites to tell u the truth

That Guy · 03-31-2006, 09:07 PM

A split hurts both sites in a big way (anyone here ever been involved in a OSS project forking to death?), so i'd prefer avoid that (which may or may not be possible). I know and like a lot of people here and losing half of them (either way) and their opinions would hurt both future sites, not to mention the silent readers that may wander back to ES or HR.

As far as what i liked, I like the power polls, I like the cap sheets, I like most of the people, I like the clean look and ease of use.

What could be changed:
-Link news articles to forum threads (like blogs do, the article post remains like they are currently, with a "Discuss this Article" link which can reduce some forum spam without affecting the time ordered display of the newswire. Multiple articles on the same subject can all be displayed individually in the newswire and link to a single discusion thread. The latest article can just be automerged as the next discussion post when they're added to the newswire.) Newswire pieces wouldn't show up in the discussion forum unless comments were posted.

-Stat breakdowns and essay would be nice. We already have some (the @comcast guy who's name i forget), but sometimes I end up writing huge breakdowns of available players or our draft picks and their trade value and they end up as post #48 in some long random thread, so no one sees them and i have to repeat the info over and over and over again

)

Like the newswire, having these link to discussion threads would also be extremely useful. that way the latest articles stay on top in the article database/listings, but can be discussed freely in the forums in a somewhat focused thread.

FRPLG · 03-31-2006, 09:09 PM

The best way is to bag the whole conspiracy/April fools jokes. They spice things up for a while but become tedious all day affairs that probably piss a bunch of people off. Today is case and point.

GTripp0012 · 03-31-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

The best way is to bag the whole conspiracy/April fools jokes. They spice things up for a while but become tedious all day affairs that probably piss a bunch of people off. Today is case and point.

How far do you think they would be willing to go if this was some April Fools Joke? Granted, it's still possible. But how dedicated so you think they are to this?

That Guy · 04-01-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

How far do you think they would be willing to go if this was some April Fools Joke? Granted, it's still possible. But how dedicated so you think they are to this?

about as far as we went on the arch nemisis thing i'd imagine

Huddle · 04-01-2006, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooley 350Z

I think the place could stand to be a bit edgier than it has been. We're not talking about satin throwpillows here, we're talking about football for god's sake. We're all grown men here (with the exception of PWNED).

I agree that it could be "edgier."

Homerism prevails here...not to the extent that it does over at Extremeskins...but it is nevertheless dominant. If a poster expresses an unpopular opinion, he can expect to be ridiculed even by the moderators.

You have some nice ancillary features on this site, but I didn't come here for those. You can improve this site by improving the quality of the discussion or debate...by encouraging not discouraging controversy.

70Chip · 04-01-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

I agree that it could be "edgier."

Homerism prevails here...not to the extent that it does over at Extremeskins...but it is nevertheless dominant. If a poster expresses an unpopular opinion, he can expect to be ridiculed even by the moderators.

You have some nice ancillary features on this site, but I didn't come here for those. You can improve this site by improving the quality of the discussion or debate...by encouraging not discouraging controversy.

I have assumed, as a newer member, that the Homerism was a function of the Redskins recent success. I think that if this were 1996, everyone would be in high dudgeon--Norv this and Casserly that. Am I wrong?

Huddle · 04-01-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

I have assumed, as a newer member, that the Homerism was a function of the Redskins recent success. I think that if this were 1996, everyone would be in high dudgeon--Norv this and Casserly that. Am I wrong?

If you browse the fansites of other teams, you'll read the same kind of posts you read here.

That Guy · 04-01-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

I agree that it could be "edgier."

Homerism prevails here...not to the extent that it does over at Extremeskins...but it is nevertheless dominant. If a poster expresses an unpopular opinion, he can expect to be ridiculed even by the moderators.

You have some nice ancillary features on this site, but I didn't come here for those. You can improve this site by improving the quality of the discussion or debate...by encouraging not discouraging controversy.

hate to break it to you, argueing that stats are almost worthless and engaging in multiple circular arguements per week while refusing to even consider that you might possibly maybe be wrong about ANYTHING doesn't exactly promote debate.

In fact, rampant and ludicrous illogic stonewalls it. So does stating and believing that there's no such thing as proof regarding objective comparisions of players (making any debate involving who we should look at or who's better etc totally impossible, so every such post becomes a worthless he said/she said thread). If you can't prove anything, then there is no debate. And so once again i find it ironic that of all people, you're the one asking for better debate when that's the very thing you've tried so hard to kill over and over again on this very site.

Go take some of those crap arguements and debating "techniques" to other forums and see how many people you get bowing before you there, or see how many sites decide not to bother entertaining it and just ban you instead.

What i think you meant to ask for is a pulpit where you can spew biased and unsupported opinions without being challenged while a loyal throng of idiot followers constantly PMs you about how amazing and smart you are.

GoSkins! · 04-01-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

Go take some of those crap arguements and debating "techniques" to other forums and see how many people you get bowing before you there, or see how many sites decide not to bother entertaining it and just ban you instead.

That Guy, I found that adding certain members to my ignore list makes this a better forum for me. Some members are self absorbed, oppositionally defiant, stupid, and/or not worth the time. You should add these people to yours!

Huddle · 04-01-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

hate to break it to you, argueing that stats are almost worthless and engaging in multiple circular arguements per week while refusing to even consider that you might possibly maybe be wrong about ANYTHING doesn't exactly promote debate.

In fact, rampant and ludicrous illogic stonewalls it. So does stating and believing that there's no such thing as proof regarding objective comparisions of players (making any debate involving who we should look at or who's better etc totally impossible, so every such post becomes a worthless he said/she said thread). If you can't prove anything, then there is no debate. And so once again i find it ironic that of all people, you're the one asking for better debate when that's the very thing you've tried so hard to kill over and over again on this very site.

Go take some of those crap arguements and debating "techniques" to other forums and see how many people you get bowing before you there, or see how many sites decide not to bother entertaining it and just ban you instead.

What i think you meant to ask for is a pulpit where you can spew biased and unsupported opinions without being challenged while a loyal throng of idiot followers constantly PMs you about how amazing and smart you are.

I really tweaked your ego in that stats debate...didn't I?

Schneed10 · 04-01-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

I really tweaked your ego in that stats debate...didn't I?

I don't think you tweaked anybody's ego, Huddle. I have been involved in some debates with you on here, but I've also just been witness to debates between you and others like That Guy. In those debates in which I've just been an observer, if I were judging, I'd say you flat out lost. That Guy is right, your logic is often circular. If you're going to win debates as you seem to be so concerned with, you have to offer valid rebuttals when someone shoots your points down. Your points were shot down so often, but I never heard you rebut. You usually clammed up on the subject and then picked a different, and irrelevant, point to dispute. That's the reason that debates with you seem to drift towards the pointless and irrelevant aspects of the subject matter.

In my judgment, That Guy got angry with you because you're frustrating to argue with. Mind you, you're not frustrating because you can shoot down valid points with solid reasoning. You're frustrating because when someone shoots down your point, you dance around and argue different subjects. Then you continue to argue as if yours is a position of strength when it's clearly not. That's where the frustration stems.

That's my opinion on your debating skills. I don't think you're very good at it. My guess is a lot of people would see it the same way. If you're such a great debator and so great at getting your point across, how come NOBODY on this site agrees with you? Is it possible you're actually smarter than EVERYONE here? You probably think so, which is exactly why you're so frustrating.

Huddle · 04-01-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Is it possible you're actually smarter than EVERYONE here?

I don't know. How many do you suppose exceed a 150 IQ?

And no...that doesn't mean that I know it all...nor does it mean that I'm not capable of logical errors. What it does mean is that I'm not the obstinate dunce that you and others claim.

You are pissed with me because you couldn't handle me in debate.

03-31-2006, 07:57 PM	#16
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: How Can We Improve? It's worked for this long, so there is no reason to believe it won't blow over. Unless there is something else we aren't being told.

03-31-2006, 08:06 PM	#17
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: How Can We Improve? Trust me guys, it's not in any way about money. I haven't seen a dime as a mod. I paid money to keep the site going.

03-31-2006, 08:40 PM	#18
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: How Can We Improve? kinda intrigued by the prospect of 2 sites to tell u the truth __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-31-2006, 09:07 PM	#19
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: How Can We Improve? A split hurts both sites in a big way (anyone here ever been involved in a OSS project forking to death?), so i'd prefer avoid that (which may or may not be possible). I know and like a lot of people here and losing half of them (either way) and their opinions would hurt both future sites, not to mention the silent readers that may wander back to ES or HR. As far as what i liked, I like the power polls, I like the cap sheets, I like most of the people, I like the clean look and ease of use. What could be changed: -Link news articles to forum threads (like blogs do, the article post remains like they are currently, with a "Discuss this Article" link which can reduce some forum spam without affecting the time ordered display of the newswire. Multiple articles on the same subject can all be displayed individually in the newswire and link to a single discusion thread. The latest article can just be automerged as the next discussion post when they're added to the newswire.) Newswire pieces wouldn't show up in the discussion forum unless comments were posted. -Stat breakdowns and essay would be nice. We already have some (the @comcast guy who's name i forget), but sometimes I end up writing huge breakdowns of available players or our draft picks and their trade value and they end up as post #48 in some long random thread, so no one sees them and i have to repeat the info over and over and over again ) Like the newswire, having these link to discussion threads would also be extremely useful. that way the latest articles stay on top in the article database/listings, but can be discussed freely in the forums in a somewhat focused thread.

03-31-2006, 09:09 PM	#20
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: How Can We Improve? The best way is to bag the whole conspiracy/April fools jokes. They spice things up for a while but become tedious all day affairs that probably piss a bunch of people off. Today is case and point.

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