Parcells apologizes for racial slur

joethiesmanfan · 06-09-2004, 08:54 AM

Man don't ever post nothing else about the Tuna he is the enemy. He has no class he has Quincy Carter we have Brunnel and Ramsey. He has a Notre Dame reject for a back we have Portis. Blitz the hell out of us this year Tuna.

MTK · 06-09-2004, 09:21 AM

Doesn't 'oriental' usually refer to a rug, soup or medicine?

cpayne5 · 06-09-2004, 11:03 AM

One thing for us non-japanese people to think about:

There was a japanese reporter in the room when Parcells said what he said. The guy didn't think twice about it until the other people started making a big deal about it. When asked if it offended him, he said no and was kind of suprised that other people were making a big deal about it.

For as long as there are distinguishing characteristics among the human race, there will always be 'offensive' remarks.

sportscurmudgeon · 06-09-2004, 03:41 PM

itvetnop:

My comment about "labeling me ..." was not meant for you. It was meant for the "you" in my example about taking offense calling someone dumb if they could not get a 600 on the SATs. I should have been more clear in that paragraph that I was speaking to a "mythical you" and not to the person addressed by the note.

Sorry about that.

I believe - and that does not make it absolutely right for everyone - that if you are part of the group at which the remark was directed that you indeed have a much greater standing in terms of your outrage and your discomfort. I am a white male. I do not like or condone or use racial epithets. When someone else does, I may feel uncomfortable and I may diminish the regard in which I hold the person who uses them, but any outrage that I feel has to take a backseat to that of a person directly singled out by the epithet. IMHO.

I think ESPN fired Limbaugh because they wanted to in the first place (he was not catching on as "the next big thing" and wasn't drawing viewers in the numbers they had projected) and because they were given the opportunity to do it when the PC police took Limbaugh's remarks aimed at the media and deflected them to appear as if they were aimed at Donovan McNabb. That gave ESPN the reason it needed to pull the trigger.

BTW, in case anyone thinks I am one of Limbaugh's listeners or followers, nothing could be further from the truth. I think he is a buffoon both politically and as a "radio entertainer".

sportscurmudgeon · 06-09-2004, 03:45 PM

smootsmack:

Regarding the Larry Bird article, the think I found most hilarious - and such an obvious attempt to take cover lest someone complain about these remarks - is the NBA statement saying they do not have a breakdown of the players in the league by race.

Boy, that would be a hard database to construct...

Puhleeeez!!!

MTK · 06-09-2004, 04:00 PM

I believe ESPN told Limbaugh to stay away from any hot button issues, and it only took him a few weeks to flub that up.

Phinehas · 06-09-2004, 06:45 PM

I don't believe for a second that Parcell was out to offend or hurt anyone. However, some were offended and hurt by what he said. (Some weren't.) In my opinion, apologies were made-to-order for this sort of scenario. On the other hand, I have a hard time comprehending how a fine or any other sort of punitive action would be justified.

If you accidentally step on someone's toe, the fact that you didn't mean to do it doesn't make the incident any less painful for the person with the mashed toe. So you apologize sincerely. And when the injured party realizes that it was an accident and that you are really sorry to have caused them pain, they accept the apology and everyone goes on with their lives. To turn and slap someone who only stepped on your toe accidentally or to take any sort of punitive action against them seems ungracious and even unreasonable to me. Slapping someone for accidentally stepping on someone else's toe seems even more inane.

Parcell verbally stepped on some toes. It hurt some people. Their pain was real and legitimate. It was clumsy of him, and knowing he was in the wrong, he apologized. I don't see any indication that he hurt anyone deliberately, nor do I get the impression that his apology was insincere. I think the gracious thing to do is for those who were personally offended to accept his apology and to move on. Fining him for being clumsy, without any evidence of ill intent, just makes no sense to me.

--Phin

ShaolinMonk81 · 06-09-2004, 09:10 PM

I'm beginning to doubt the intelligence of some of the people on this website. The "Jap" play has been a descriptive play since after WWII. It's not like Parcells came up with this on his own. I'm so sick of the stupid p.c. bull that goes on. Thank you to the people that joked about the "blitz" and the "sack". If you want to make a difference about something, get off your high horse, stop your bitching, and apply your efforts to something that takes real character. Two of my best friends are of southeast Asian descent and neither takes offense to the term "oriental". Stop making your opinions based on what you see on CNN and try, just try to think for yourselves!

itvnetop · 06-09-2004, 10:10 PM

Yo Shaolin, I know you're not talking to me man... you don't even know where the hell I'm coming from or what i've been through. Just because two of your Asian friends are not offended by "Oriental" does not mean that it's okay. Your post doesn't seem to be one of "real character"

Are you saying the term "Jap" is not offensive? You must live in a very myopic world there, my friend. BTW- was I really "bitching" as you say? I thought i was offering an explanation as to why people are offended. Of course people like you refuse to look through the eyes of anyone other than your own, so you would think all we're doing is "bitching." Ask anyone of Japanese descent (or most Asian Americans for that matter) if they believe Jap is offensive.

Let me break it down one more time for you, so you can get it through your head. It's not like saying "Rice Paddy" plays (which i'm not offended by). The term "Jap" is just as bad as the "N" word. It connotates negative meaning for a large amount of people. It was used in WWII terms to describe the Japanese soldiers- and among many American citizens to describe Japanese people in general. It carries the same negative association that brought about the internment camps during WWII. Are you also saying the word "gook" is non-offensive just because it was used during the Vietnam conflict to describe Vietnamese soldiers? Just because you cannot see why something is offensive (including your two friends), it doesn't give you the right to say the offended are on "high horses", "bitching", and "lack character."

If you're so sure that the term is non-offensive, let's see you take up my offer. If you have such a "high character" to call me out on my explanation, I want to see you back your mouth up- I want you to walk around for the next week and greet every Asian-American stranger you see, "What's up Jap?" Do you also believe it's okay to drop the "N" bomb on people? Or is that "pc bull" in your words.

Oh and btw, I do make my own opinions- you have shown your own very flawed logic by associating an opinion different than yours to a "mindless" drone argument. The fact that you basically called me stupid b/c I dislike the word "Jap" shows how much character you really do have. I'd like to commend the people on here who have seen the error in Parcells' comments. I'm not even that mad at the people who don't see the flaw in it... but I won't sit there and tolerate someone questioning my intelligence because I am offended by the word "Jap." It's one thing to have an intelligent discussion... it's another thing to get entirely personal. Seems like you've crossed that line.

Sammy Baugh Fan · 06-09-2004, 10:20 PM

Hey itvnetop,
Give the guy some slank even if he seems wrong to you. Man we are all coming from so many different angles to be Fans together that we will clash at times. Help us understand what you feel and it will help us not make the mistake of being offensive.

Even joking I had to stop myself from telling you to not blow a bean sprout. lol Hey, I'm a southern boy and EVERYONE makes fun and jokes of us.

If the guy crossed the line with his "intent" he should say sorry so we can all move on together AS A TEAM.

peace

itvnetop · 06-09-2004, 10:27 PM

hey sammy... i woulda laughed at the bean sprout comment man hahahah... like i said in my first post, I'm definitely not the one to get offended at much at all. I'm a southern boy too (if you can believe it... i'm just an LA transplant), so I'm pretty much used to everything that's been thrown at me.

Like I said before, I totally understand if people don't get it- all i was originally trying to do was offer an explanation of the other side and if people still didn't get it, at least i figured i still gave it a shot. I know I shouldn't have, but I guess I took Shaolin's post a little too personal... I guess it's hard not to when name-calling and intelligence is called into question. To everyone else, I hope you guys know that you don't have to walk on eggshells around me- joke aplenty aight?

Sammy Baugh Fan · 06-09-2004, 10:32 PM

You Da man bro!
Hey we all wear Burgundy and Gold here and we will have to try and be cool to each other.

It's life tho and that's a crap shoot.

Me personally I like all the crayons in the Box

peace

SmootSmack · 06-09-2004, 10:39 PM

I have this vision suddenly of Sammy Baugh Fan sitting with his guitar and a pen and paper, getting inspired by this thread to write some "We are the World" or "Imagine" type of song

Sammy Baugh Fan · 06-09-2004, 10:44 PM

Don't bogart that thing and hand me a guitar pick.

~writes

"I'm a skins fan and will bring world peace,
F all that I want a Super Bolw ring at least.
Let's all get along,
and sing the Hail to the Redskins song."

lol

itvnetop · 06-09-2004, 10:55 PM

How about a Skins rap?

Paid my bones for some Redskins seats
04 is the year Eli meets Lavar's cleats
With Portis in the backfield, defenses will fear
If Barrow don't plant ya, Taylor's bringing up the rear
Gibbs is back on the path, victims who will it be
Parcells is wishin his Tuna ass becomes a chicken in the sea
Coles is gonna burn CBs like he was going from future to the past
While Smoot's got TO stickin his Sharpie up his ass
Brunell or Ramsey, it don't matter who's callin the barks
The league is full of goldfish, FedEx is the home of sharks!

06-09-2004, 11:03 AM	#18
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	One thing for us non-japanese people to think about: There was a japanese reporter in the room when Parcells said what he said. The guy didn't think twice about it until the other people started making a big deal about it. When asked if it offended him, he said no and was kind of suprised that other people were making a big deal about it. For as long as there are distinguishing characteristics among the human race, there will always be 'offensive' remarks. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

06-09-2004, 10:20 PM	#25
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 62 Posts: 2,507	Hey itvnetop, Give the guy some slank even if he seems wrong to you. Man we are all coming from so many different angles to be Fans together that we will clash at times. Help us understand what you feel and it will help us not make the mistake of being offensive. Even joking I had to stop myself from telling you to not blow a bean sprout. lol Hey, I'm a southern boy and EVERYONE makes fun and jokes of us. If the guy crossed the line with his "intent" he should say sorry so we can all move on together AS A TEAM. peace __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

06-09-2004, 10:32 PM	#27
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 62 Posts: 2,507	You Da man bro! Hey we all wear Burgundy and Gold here and we will have to try and be cool to each other. It's life tho and that's a crap shoot. Me personally I like all the crayons in the Box peace __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

06-09-2004, 10:39 PM	#28
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I have this vision suddenly of Sammy Baugh Fan sitting with his guitar and a pen and paper, getting inspired by this thread to write some "We are the World" or "Imagine" type of song __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

06-09-2004, 10:44 PM	#29
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 62 Posts: 2,507	Don't bogart that thing and hand me a guitar pick. ~writes "I'm a skins fan and will bring world peace, F all that I want a Super Bolw ring at least. Let's all get along, and sing the Hail to the Redskins song." lol __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

06-09-2004, 08:54 AM	#16
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Man don't ever post nothing else about the Tuna he is the enemy. He has no class he has Quincy Carter we have Brunnel and Ramsey. He has a Notre Dame reject for a back we have Portis. Blitz the hell out of us this year Tuna.

06-09-2004, 09:21 AM	#17
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Doesn't 'oriental' usually refer to a rug, soup or medicine?

06-09-2004, 03:41 PM	#19
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	itvetnop: My comment about "labeling me ..." was not meant for you. It was meant for the "you" in my example about taking offense calling someone dumb if they could not get a 600 on the SATs. I should have been more clear in that paragraph that I was speaking to a "mythical you" and not to the person addressed by the note. Sorry about that. I believe - and that does not make it absolutely right for everyone - that if you are part of the group at which the remark was directed that you indeed have a much greater standing in terms of your outrage and your discomfort. I am a white male. I do not like or condone or use racial epithets. When someone else does, I may feel uncomfortable and I may diminish the regard in which I hold the person who uses them, but any outrage that I feel has to take a backseat to that of a person directly singled out by the epithet. IMHO. I think ESPN fired Limbaugh because they wanted to in the first place (he was not catching on as "the next big thing" and wasn't drawing viewers in the numbers they had projected) and because they were given the opportunity to do it when the PC police took Limbaugh's remarks aimed at the media and deflected them to appear as if they were aimed at Donovan McNabb. That gave ESPN the reason it needed to pull the trigger. BTW, in case anyone thinks I am one of Limbaugh's listeners or followers, nothing could be further from the truth. I think he is a buffoon both politically and as a "radio entertainer".

06-09-2004, 03:45 PM	#20
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	smootsmack: Regarding the Larry Bird article, the think I found most hilarious - and such an obvious attempt to take cover lest someone complain about these remarks - is the NBA statement saying they do not have a breakdown of the players in the league by race. Boy, that would be a hard database to construct... Puhleeeez!!!

06-09-2004, 04:00 PM	#21
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I believe ESPN told Limbaugh to stay away from any hot button issues, and it only took him a few weeks to flub that up.

06-09-2004, 06:45 PM	#22
Phinehas Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 106	I don't believe for a second that Parcell was out to offend or hurt anyone. However, some were offended and hurt by what he said. (Some weren't.) In my opinion, apologies were made-to-order for this sort of scenario. On the other hand, I have a hard time comprehending how a fine or any other sort of punitive action would be justified. If you accidentally step on someone's toe, the fact that you didn't mean to do it doesn't make the incident any less painful for the person with the mashed toe. So you apologize sincerely. And when the injured party realizes that it was an accident and that you are really sorry to have caused them pain, they accept the apology and everyone goes on with their lives. To turn and slap someone who only stepped on your toe accidentally or to take any sort of punitive action against them seems ungracious and even unreasonable to me. Slapping someone for accidentally stepping on someone else's toe seems even more inane. Parcell verbally stepped on some toes. It hurt some people. Their pain was real and legitimate. It was clumsy of him, and knowing he was in the wrong, he apologized. I don't see any indication that he hurt anyone deliberately, nor do I get the impression that his apology was insincere. I think the gracious thing to do is for those who were personally offended to accept his apology and to move on. Fining him for being clumsy, without any evidence of ill intent, just makes no sense to me. --Phin

06-09-2004, 09:10 PM	#23
ShaolinMonk81 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Inwood, WV Posts: 11	I'm beginning to doubt the intelligence of some of the people on this website. The "Jap" play has been a descriptive play since after WWII. It's not like Parcells came up with this on his own. I'm so sick of the stupid p.c. bull that goes on. Thank you to the people that joked about the "blitz" and the "sack". If you want to make a difference about something, get off your high horse, stop your bitching, and apply your efforts to something that takes real character. Two of my best friends are of southeast Asian descent and neither takes offense to the term "oriental". Stop making your opinions based on what you see on CNN and try, just try to think for yourselves!

06-09-2004, 10:10 PM	#24
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	Yo Shaolin, I know you're not talking to me man... you don't even know where the hell I'm coming from or what i've been through. Just because two of your Asian friends are not offended by "Oriental" does not mean that it's okay. Your post doesn't seem to be one of "real character" Are you saying the term "Jap" is not offensive? You must live in a very myopic world there, my friend. BTW- was I really "bitching" as you say? I thought i was offering an explanation as to why people are offended. Of course people like you refuse to look through the eyes of anyone other than your own, so you would think all we're doing is "bitching." Ask anyone of Japanese descent (or most Asian Americans for that matter) if they believe Jap is offensive. Let me break it down one more time for you, so you can get it through your head. It's not like saying "Rice Paddy" plays (which i'm not offended by). The term "Jap" is just as bad as the "N" word. It connotates negative meaning for a large amount of people. It was used in WWII terms to describe the Japanese soldiers- and among many American citizens to describe Japanese people in general. It carries the same negative association that brought about the internment camps during WWII. Are you also saying the word "gook" is non-offensive just because it was used during the Vietnam conflict to describe Vietnamese soldiers? Just because you cannot see why something is offensive (including your two friends), it doesn't give you the right to say the offended are on "high horses", "bitching", and "lack character." If you're so sure that the term is non-offensive, let's see you take up my offer. If you have such a "high character" to call me out on my explanation, I want to see you back your mouth up- I want you to walk around for the next week and greet every Asian-American stranger you see, "What's up Jap?" Do you also believe it's okay to drop the "N" bomb on people? Or is that "pc bull" in your words. Oh and btw, I do make my own opinions- you have shown your own very flawed logic by associating an opinion different than yours to a "mindless" drone argument. The fact that you basically called me stupid b/c I dislike the word "Jap" shows how much character you really do have. I'd like to commend the people on here who have seen the error in Parcells' comments. I'm not even that mad at the people who don't see the flaw in it... but I won't sit there and tolerate someone questioning my intelligence because I am offended by the word "Jap." It's one thing to have an intelligent discussion... it's another thing to get entirely personal. Seems like you've crossed that line.

06-09-2004, 10:27 PM	#26
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	hey sammy... i woulda laughed at the bean sprout comment man hahahah... like i said in my first post, I'm definitely not the one to get offended at much at all. I'm a southern boy too (if you can believe it... i'm just an LA transplant), so I'm pretty much used to everything that's been thrown at me. Like I said before, I totally understand if people don't get it- all i was originally trying to do was offer an explanation of the other side and if people still didn't get it, at least i figured i still gave it a shot. I know I shouldn't have, but I guess I took Shaolin's post a little too personal... I guess it's hard not to when name-calling and intelligence is called into question. To everyone else, I hope you guys know that you don't have to walk on eggshells around me- joke aplenty aight?

06-09-2004, 10:55 PM	#30
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	How about a Skins rap? Paid my bones for some Redskins seats 04 is the year Eli meets Lavar's cleats With Portis in the backfield, defenses will fear If Barrow don't plant ya, Taylor's bringing up the rear Gibbs is back on the path, victims who will it be Parcells is wishin his Tuna ass becomes a chicken in the sea Coles is gonna burn CBs like he was going from future to the past While Smoot's got TO stickin his Sharpie up his ass Brunell or Ramsey, it don't matter who's callin the barks The league is full of goldfish, FedEx is the home of sharks!

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