The Sam Howell Thread

[BaltimoreSkins]

That’s fine but if Sam loses out to a rookie you lose draft capital.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I am not going to dwell too much on Sam's future here. If there is a new FO this off season and they decide to draft a QB I am certain we could trade Sam for 2nd, maybe even a 1st the way he is playing. Either way it is a win.

No way I’d move a young quarterback that’s shown a lot of advanced passing skills like Sam has done in his first year of starting. While I’m good with GM making a call on drafting another QB, in same breath I’m not moving Sam. That would be really dumb.

Like it or not, Sam has played too damn well just to give up on his development now. The value of having a second quality QB on the team is way underrated.

[skinsfaninok]

If this team gives up on Howell after literally carrying these sorry ass lineman, it would be one of the worst moves Harris could make. The fans would go crazy too. Sam has become a fan favorite and rightfully so. Dude lays it all on the line every game.


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

That’s fine but if Sam loses out to a rookie you lose draft capital.

Not if that rookie kicks ass. Then we just have two good young quarterbacks.

We draft say Williams who beats out Sam. Sam would be worth the same thing he is now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

No way I’d move a young quarterback that’s shown a lot of advanced passing skills like Sam has done in his first year of starting. While I’m good with GM making a call on drafting another QB, in same breath I’m not moving Sam. That would be really dumb.

Like it or not, Sam has played too damn well just to give up on his development now. The value of having a second quality QB on the team is way underrated.

This is how I feel. I have not problem drafting a QB but I'm not taking anyone in the first round. 4th round perhaps.

[rocnrik]

Since 2000 there has been 69 QBs taken in first round .
17 were #1 overall pick (the year is listed before name)
01-Vick,02-Carr,03-Palmer,04-E Manning,05-A smith,07-Russell,09-Stafford,10-Bradford,11-Newton,12-Luck,15-Winston,16-Goff,18-Mayfield,19-Murray,20-Burrow,21-Lawrence,23-Young
Out of those picks there is only one sure fire Bust ( Russell) at least 10 elite level and the rest very solid ..

Now it gets interesting.. 6 were number 2 overall picks
12-R Griffin,15-Mariota,16-Wentz,17-Trubisky,21-Z Wilson,23-Cj Stroud …Other than Stroud that is a huge drop off in talent

6 were pick#3
02-Harrington,06-V Young,08-M Ryan,14-Bortles,18-Darnold,21-Lance … One very solid in Ryan
2 were pick#4
04-Rivers,23-Richardson
2 were pick #5
09-Sanchez,20-Tua
2/#6 19-Jones,20-Herbert
2/#7 03-Leftwich,18-J Allen
2/#8 11-locker,12-Tannehill
0/#9
4/#10 06-Leinart ,11-Gabbert,17-Mahomes,18-Rosen
3/#11 04-Big Ben,06-Cutler,21-Fields
2/#12 11-Ponder,17-Watson
0/13
0/14
2/15 19-Haskins,21-M jones
1/16 13-Manual
1/17 09-Freeman
2/18 00-Pennington,08-Flacco
1/19 03-Boller
1/20 22-Pickett
0/21
5/22 03-Grossman,04-Lossman,07-Quinn,14- Manziel,12-Weeden
0/23
1/24 05-A Rogers
2/25 05-J Campbell,10-Tebow
2/26 16-Lynch,20-Love
0/27-31
3/32 02-Ramsey,14-Bridgwater,18-Jackson

Other than The number ONE pick it’s at best a crap shoot picking a Qb in first round …10 QBs from 2cnd pick to 32 pick in first round were elite franchise QB .. and that’s since 2000 (10 out of 52 )

[rocnrik]

this research took some time 😀🥃 hope y’all dig it !

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

this research took some time 😀🥃 hope y’all dig it !

Thanks, good stuff.

[AnonEmouse]

Is it worth pointing out that usually if a new GM/HC comes in, they're often inclined to get their own QB because the incumbent is average or poor? How often has a HC come into a job where they've inherited a good or even great QB, and turfed them out for 'their guy'?

[rocnrik]

My opinion
Elite level 17 players
2cnd tier 8
Mid pack 15
Below average 13
Bust 13
Too early too tell 3 ( stroud,Bryce young,Richardson )

What is y’all’s opinion ..

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

My opinion
Elite level 17 players
2cnd tier 8
Mid pack 15
Below average 13
Bust 13
Too early too tell 3 ( stroud,Bryce young,Richardson )

What is y’all’s opinion ..

I’d keep Sam for another year unless you can get Caleb Williams some how


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[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Is it worth pointing out that usually if a new GM/HC comes in, they're often inclined to get their own QB because the incumbent is average or poor? How often has a HC come into a job where they've inherited a good or even great QB, and turfed them out for 'their guy'?

You are correct.. However what we have is a Head coach who has been searching for 4 years to find a Qb .. he let the team erode and made so many bad roster decisions that now that Sam is here he is on his way out .. I’m sure Ron wishes he had Sam his first year .. there are a lot of coaches who will like the fact that Sam has allready played a full year in the league .. I’m all about if the TOP can’t miss guy falls to us in a top 5 pick getting him .. I am all against trading up and use assets we need to get someone .. how about letting a team with nobody trade up with us and we land a haul .. like another first rounder and second rounder to drop down a few spots … we could get better really quick!

[rocnrik]

Right now the Bears get top pick and they need a QB .. Pats need a QB .. that’s two off the board ..Cards don’t .. the bears get another pick before us ..IF we NEEDED a QB we aren’t gonna get one of the top 2 guys .. if we really really want a chance at one of them then TANK !!! And we still probably won’t get one of them .. the 5th pick is what we are looking at realistically.. So who will be there ??

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

Right now the Bears get top pick and they need a QB .. Pats need a QB .. that’s two off the board ..Cards don’t .. the bears get another pick before us ..IF we NEEDED a QB we aren’t gonna get one of the top 2 guys .. if we really really want a chance at one of them then TANK !!! And we still probably won’t get one of them .. the 5th pick is what we are looking at realistically.. So who will be there ??

The bears won’t pass up on Caleb Williams and the pats won’t pass up on maye. So in my opinion don’t take a QB at 4 or 5. Take the best LT available or trade back and add picks


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[skinsfan69]

Caleb = bust.