Play Calling

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-28-2005, 03:42 AM

Yeah, Gibbs (like Brunell) shouldn't have held Jamal Williams and pushed us out of field goal range. Gibbs shouldn't have dropped 3 of 4 passes that came his way (unlike Royal who was spectacular). Maybe, just maybe, it's not Gibbs who is to blame for everything that happens on the field.

SmootSmack · 11-28-2005, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Yeah, Gibbs (like Brunell) shouldn't have held Jamal Williams and pushed us out of field goal range. Gibbs shouldn't have dropped 3 of 4 passes that came his way (unlike Royal who was spectacular). Maybe, just maybe, it's not Gibbs who is to blame for everything that happens on the field.

I think maybe part of the problem is perhaps unnecessarily high expectations. True, Gibbs is one of the best coaches ever. But he didn't win it all every year. If you really break it down, his best teams were built in 3-4 year intervals. But there's no time for patience in this day and age. Especially not after enduring 12 years of misery after Gibbs left.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-28-2005, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think maybe part of the problem is perhaps unnecessarily high expectations. True, Gibbs is one of the best coaches ever. But he didn't win it all every year. If you really break it down, his best teams were built in 3-4 year intervals. But there's no time for patience in this day and age. Especially not after enduring 12 years of misery after Gibbs left.

Unfortunately, I think you hit the nail on the head.

Bushead · 11-28-2005, 04:43 AM

I think every coach should be given three years before you start asking for his head.

Hog1 · 11-28-2005, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think maybe part of the problem is perhaps unnecessarily high expectations. True, Gibbs is one of the best coaches ever. But he didn't win it all every year. If you really break it down, his best teams were built in 3-4 year intervals. But there's no time for patience in this day and age. Especially not after enduring 12 years of misery after Gibbs left.

I think you have it! I don't believe ANYONE is stupid enough to believe you can build a team from disarray to dominance in two seasons.

56FAN · 11-28-2005, 08:26 AM

I just sense right now that this team expects something to happen in the 4th qtr to lose the game.it's a different person stepping up or down to mess up every week.i thought they had stepped out of this cycle earlier this year but now it seems that they have fallen back into it.lack of athletes in the skill positions, lack of quality cb. depth ,lack of de pressure..arrington out of postion.and an o line that is just not playing as a unit consistanly enough to be depended upon. and a qb who tends to look a 1 reciever in certain cituations and if they are covered is screwed.and a coaching staff who plays it too close to the vest.i'm numb right now.i am tired of the diappointment. period.tired of excuses and watching other teams put it together and go on after us and become better while we wallow in the meir.when is this going to change ?

heybigstar · 11-28-2005, 08:33 AM

We were way too conservative. Brunell hadnt thrown a pick all game, we should have tried a 15-20 yd pass on 1st or 2nd, really try to push their D around. Thats how you win football games.

I dont know if we will have the right personell on our team, because of our lack of draft picks.

Daseal · 11-28-2005, 09:39 AM

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I suppose we could pass every down. They sure worked for us during the Spurrier years.

Yeah, because the outcome is so different in the Gibbs era, right skinsfan? At least Gibbs has a defense to prop him up.

The playcalling has GOT TO CHANGE. Gibbs normally calls a pretty solid half though I think we should push it a bit more. At the end of the game you have got to try to get enough yards to win the game. You don't want to go into overtime against the best scoring team and best pass rushing team. That smells disaster. These last two losses come from Gibbs inability to grow some balls and put a game away.

Paintrain · 11-28-2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think maybe part of the problem is perhaps unnecessarily high expectations. True, Gibbs is one of the best coaches ever. But he didn't win it all every year. If you really break it down, his best teams were built in 3-4 year intervals. But there's no time for patience in this day and age. Especially not after enduring 12 years of misery after Gibbs left.

I think that people who are calling for a change in coaching staff are crazy.. But people, like myself, who are looking for a change in coaching style have a point.. I don't think expecting a team who has had a 2 score lead in the 2nd half of each of the 3 games to hold the lead and win the game is unrealistic. It's not like we are expecting huge comebacks from defecits to win games, just hold the lead you already have.. Something's working to get points on the board, keep doing it, don't stop attacking.. The Giants attack, the Colts attack, the Steelers attack.. We are what we are, but we are not a team right now that can hold a 2 score lead so we need to keep attacking and getting more and more points.. Winning in today's NFL means 24+ points unless you have a lights out defense, which we do not.. 2 TD and a FG aren't going to get it done anymore.

MTK · 11-28-2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Yeah, Gibbs (like Brunell) shouldn't have held Jamal Williams and pushed us out of field goal range. Gibbs shouldn't have dropped 3 of 4 passes that came his way (unlike Royal who was spectacular). Maybe, just maybe, it's not Gibbs who is to blame for everything that happens on the field.

I totally agree.

I think a lot of people are letting the players off way too easy.

There are a number of guys that just didn't get it done yesterday.

Twilbert07 · 11-28-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I totally agree.

I think a lot of people are letting the players off way too easy.

There are a number of guys that just didn't get it done yesterday.

I agree about the players. Problem is, we don't have anyone else to turn to at several key positions. It says to me that we need a real general manager who can handle player personnel.

#56fanatic · 11-28-2005, 10:10 AM

Lets stop all of the blame this blame that crap. Or this team is better than there record and thats a pretty good team. Fact is, the Redskins are not very good. The offense is bad, AGAIN!! the defense has been figured out, and the coach(GW) is not adjusting. Now given the last two weeks the Defense has played very good, the offense is back to where it was last year. I GOOD team finds ways to win. We were lucky to win the few games we have, except the San Fran game. Not one of our games has been a convinsing win. We need to stop making excuses, we are just not good enough to beat teams that are playoff contenders. This is the same thing that happened when Norv was the coach. We would play up or down to the level of our opponents. Good teams play solid football and win, not up or down, just win. Same crap, different year.

MTK · 11-28-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Twilbert07

I agree about the players. Problem is, we don't have anyone else to turn to at several key positions. It says to me that we need a real general manager who can handle player personnel.

To me it says we're in year 2 of a new coaching staff and we're still filling in all the holes and making adjustments.

Winners aren't built overnight.

Twilbert07 · 11-28-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

To me it says we're in year 2 of a new coaching staff and we're still filling in all the holes and making adjustments.

Winners aren't built overnight.

Yes, but our team is getting worse as the season goes on this year. We're not really building anything right now. I hope we turn it around, but it looks dark right now.

skins052bgr8 · 11-28-2005, 10:20 AM

Exactly, I love our coaching staff and what they have done with the team itself NO coaching change needed. They just need to open up the playcalling, it is not coincidence that several players on other teams comment that they new it was going to be either one or two plays from particular formations. We as fans for the most part can guess what is coming in certain situations. NFL coaches and players breakdown film all week. Bottom line the plays work a few of the times, but not over and over again. Teams adjust at half as well we need to playcalling to keep the D off balance. We play right into their adjustments.

Players all make mistakes as well as San Diego did yesterday, they overcame like other teams have done they overcame a deficit while we were content to play not to lose. All teams need about 50 seconds to run down the field so if you can't call plays to get first downs running the ball three and out with 3 minutes left does no good. Other teams are played to execute and move the field to score, we are playing with the clock instead of the endzone not exactly a winning attitude. It has to wear on the players as well and say here we go again. 50 gut, or run up the ass of one of your lineman because there is no hole in the middle for no gain. Shit why not do it again one of these last three games it has got to work. Better than that 2nd and 14 let's run the ball when we need 10 to 15 yards.

11-28-2005, 03:42 AM	#31
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Play Calling Yeah, Gibbs (like Brunell) shouldn't have held Jamal Williams and pushed us out of field goal range. Gibbs shouldn't have dropped 3 of 4 passes that came his way (unlike Royal who was spectacular). Maybe, just maybe, it's not Gibbs who is to blame for everything that happens on the field.

11-28-2005, 04:43 AM	#34
Bushead Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 782	Re: Play Calling I think every coach should be given three years before you start asking for his head.

11-28-2005, 08:26 AM	#36
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 62 Posts: 323	Re: Play Calling I just sense right now that this team expects something to happen in the 4th qtr to lose the game.it's a different person stepping up or down to mess up every week.i thought they had stepped out of this cycle earlier this year but now it seems that they have fallen back into it.lack of athletes in the skill positions, lack of quality cb. depth ,lack of de pressure..arrington out of postion.and an o line that is just not playing as a unit consistanly enough to be depended upon. and a qb who tends to look a 1 reciever in certain cituations and if they are covered is screwed.and a coaching staff who plays it too close to the vest.i'm numb right now.i am tired of the diappointment. period.tired of excuses and watching other teams put it together and go on after us and become better while we wallow in the meir.when is this going to change ?

11-28-2005, 08:33 AM	#37
heybigstar Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 375	Re: Play Calling We were way too conservative. Brunell hadnt thrown a pick all game, we should have tried a 15-20 yd pass on 1st or 2nd, really try to push their D around. Thats how you win football games. I dont know if we will have the right personell on our team, because of our lack of draft picks. __________________ Hail to the Redskins.

11-28-2005, 10:10 AM	#42
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 50 Posts: 1,801	Re: Play Calling Lets stop all of the blame this blame that crap. Or this team is better than there record and thats a pretty good team. Fact is, the Redskins are not very good. The offense is bad, AGAIN!! the defense has been figured out, and the coach(GW) is not adjusting. Now given the last two weeks the Defense has played very good, the offense is back to where it was last year. I GOOD team finds ways to win. We were lucky to win the few games we have, except the San Fran game. Not one of our games has been a convinsing win. We need to stop making excuses, we are just not good enough to beat teams that are playoff contenders. This is the same thing that happened when Norv was the coach. We would play up or down to the level of our opponents. Good teams play solid football and win, not up or down, just win. Same crap, different year.

11-28-2005, 10:20 AM	#45
skins052bgr8 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va. Age: 49 Posts: 288	Re: Play Calling Exactly, I love our coaching staff and what they have done with the team itself NO coaching change needed. They just need to open up the playcalling, it is not coincidence that several players on other teams comment that they new it was going to be either one or two plays from particular formations. We as fans for the most part can guess what is coming in certain situations. NFL coaches and players breakdown film all week. Bottom line the plays work a few of the times, but not over and over again. Teams adjust at half as well we need to playcalling to keep the D off balance. We play right into their adjustments. Players all make mistakes as well as San Diego did yesterday, they overcame like other teams have done they overcame a deficit while we were content to play not to lose. All teams need about 50 seconds to run down the field so if you can't call plays to get first downs running the ball three and out with 3 minutes left does no good. Other teams are played to execute and move the field to score, we are playing with the clock instead of the endzone not exactly a winning attitude. It has to wear on the players as well and say here we go again. 50 gut, or run up the ass of one of your lineman because there is no hole in the middle for no gain. Shit why not do it again one of these last three games it has got to work. Better than that 2nd and 14 let's run the ball when we need 10 to 15 yards.

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