When is Enough ,Enough?

[punch it in]

This weak ass motherfucker calls Jong un “very talented “ in front of the entire world, but Obama is the pushover right? HAHAHAHA. It is mind numbing. Just mind numbing.
We have a trade surplus with Canada, but Trump declares war on Trudeau. Than stands up and praises Jong un a murderous dictator and u guys applaud him. Fucking great shit. Amazing. You guys need to just move to a real dictatorship. You would be so much happier.

[Chico23231]

As the news cycle begins to bombard us with all the over coverage from today meeting, lets prepare for the bias, left leaning media to discredit everything pro-Trump about this historic 1st meeting. Lets get ahead of the bs.

1. If you hear "nothing has changed"...laugh to yourself about this fake news...the 2 leaders met giving a good faith symbolic gesture, but negotiations have been on going...everything has changed. Never before

2. If you hear "North Korea has always wanted this meeting, nothing new"...LOL at this ridiculous fake news statement...The difference here is Nuclear Disarmament has NEVER, say it again, NEVER been on the table from the North Koreans. NEVER. The ONLY reason this happened is North Korean has stated they are ready to Denuclearize. They have NEVER been willing to bring this to the table. Are we clear?

3. Oh no, Trump said nice things about Kim Un Fat the Third! Oh no, Oh no, what are we gonna do? Are feelings gonna be hurt? Use your fuckin head retard, playing to the ego of this guy...just like Kim has done with Trump. This is a NON Story. This will be choice lead of the liberal media because it has zero substance.

4. Trump gave up (or suspended) joint exercise with South Korea...I somehow forgot this was a big sticking point for libs that they were for military exercises (sarcasm). But our Troops will remain there period...Trump said "envisioned a future he sees a reduced troop presence". SO if you hear "less Troops" that is fake news. ALSO what will never be mentioned by the media, the nuclear umbrella defense was never on the table and remains.

So think on this one, no two week military training exercise vs the start of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

5. I think the biggest thing here that will not be brought up by the media...Good faith diplomacy. Diplomatic solution being sought out by Trump. Everyone was crying about how Trump was heading towards a nuclear war just several months ago...guess what folks Trump brought them to the table using diplomacy. So if you hear anything negative about talking with North Korea...laugh out loud about this fake news....this was always the best option, don't let the media state its not...now.

Allright, let the fake news watch begin!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

As the news cycle begins to bombard us with all the over coverage from today meeting, lets prepare for the bias, left leaning media to discredit everything pro-Trump about this historic 1st meeting. Lets get ahead of the bs.

1. If you hear "nothing has changed"...laugh to yourself about this fake news...the 2 leaders met giving a good faith symbolic gesture, but negotiations have been on going...everything has changed. Never before

2. If you hear "North Korea has always wanted this meeting, nothing new"...LOL at this ridiculous fake news statement...The difference here is Nuclear Disarmament has NEVER, say it again, NEVER been on the table from the North Koreans. NEVER. The ONLY reason this happened is North Korean has stated they are ready to Denuclearize. They have NEVER been willing to bring this to the table. Are we clear?

3. Oh no, Trump said nice things about Kim Un Fat the Third! Oh no, Oh no, what are we gonna do? Are feelings gonna be hurt? Use your fuckin head retard, playing to the ego of this guy...just like Kim has done with Trump. This is a NON Story. This will be choice lead of the liberal media because it has zero substance.

4. Trump gave up (or suspended) joint exercise with South Korea...I somehow forgot this was a big sticking point for libs that they were for military exercises (sarcasm). But our Troops will remain there period...Trump said "envisioned a future he sees a reduced troop presence". SO if you hear "less Troops" that is fake news. ALSO what will never be mentioned by the media, the nuclear umbrella defense was never on the table and remains.

So think on this one, no two week military training exercise vs the start of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

5. I think the biggest thing here that will not be brought up by the media...Good faith diplomacy. Diplomatic solution being sought out by Trump. Everyone was crying about how Trump was heading towards a nuclear war just several months ago...guess what folks Trump brought them to the table using diplomacy. So if you hear anything negative about talking with North Korea...laugh out loud about this fake news....this was always the best option, don't let the media state its not...now.

Allright, let the fake news watch begin!

The key point is Chico, nobody cares what is said. We only care what is actually done.

If they sign an agreement, that's a tangible action that's worth applauding. If they actually take steps to fulfill the agreement, that's an even better tangible step worth applauding.

But I'm not going to applaud Trump and Kim standing up there and saying we intend to denuclearize. The North Koreans have said they'd capitulate before - going back in history. They haven't actually done it.

If it actually happens then Trump will deserve a Nobel Peace Prize, that's how significant an achievement it will be. But I'm not interested in words. Only actions and achievements.

[dmek25]

President Trump, as part of the historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, reversed longstanding U.S. policy by calling for an end to military drills on the Korean Peninsula and saying he wants to bring U.S. troops home from the region – the president’s latest convention-defying move on the international stage in less than a week.

chico, thats from fox. trump wants to remove our troops. and as far as never been done, president clinton came the closest. having a solid stepping stone towards peace. then W happened

[Schneed10]

I would be very, very surprised if we actually move our troops away from South Korea.

Doesn't make strategic sense even from the standpoint of remaining in tactically advantageous positions to deal with Putin should the need ever arise.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

As the news cycle begins to bombard us with all the over coverage from today meeting, lets prepare for the bias, left leaning media to discredit everything pro-Trump about this historic 1st meeting. Lets get ahead of the bs.

1. If you hear "nothing has changed"...laugh to yourself about this fake news...the 2 leaders met giving a good faith symbolic gesture, but negotiations have been on going...everything has changed. Never before

2. If you hear "North Korea has always wanted this meeting, nothing new"...LOL at this ridiculous fake news statement...The difference here is Nuclear Disarmament has NEVER, say it again, NEVER been on the table from the North Koreans. NEVER. The ONLY reason this happened is North Korean has stated they are ready to Denuclearize. They have NEVER been willing to bring this to the table. Are we clear?

3. Oh no, Trump said nice things about Kim Un Fat the Third! Oh no, Oh no, what are we gonna do? Are feelings gonna be hurt? Use your fuckin head retard, playing to the ego of this guy...just like Kim has done with Trump. This is a NON Story. This will be choice lead of the liberal media because it has zero substance.

4. Trump gave up (or suspended) joint exercise with South Korea...I somehow forgot this was a big sticking point for libs that they were for military exercises (sarcasm). But our Troops will remain there period...Trump said "envisioned a future he sees a reduced troop presence". SO if you hear "less Troops" that is fake news. ALSO what will never be mentioned by the media, the nuclear umbrella defense was never on the table and remains.

So think on this one, no two week military training exercise vs the start of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

5. I think the biggest thing here that will not be brought up by the media...Good faith diplomacy. Diplomatic solution being sought out by Trump. Everyone was crying about how Trump was heading towards a nuclear war just several months ago...guess what folks Trump brought them to the table using diplomacy. So if you hear anything negative about talking with North Korea...laugh out loud about this fake news....this was always the best option, don't let the media state its not...now.

Allright, let the fake news watch begin!

Watching Chris Cuomo talk to Dennis Rodman while Rodman took shots at Pres. Obama and praised Pres. Trump (while wearing a MAGA hat) was pretty fun.

Until we really have substantial verification processes in place, I think everyone should have a healthy skepticism about NK's sincerity. The Reagan refrain of Trust but Verify has never been more important, it also is the issue with the Iran deal, when the country being inspected can say things are off limits, and you have to give them significant lead time notice, that isn't a real verification process. IF a deal that includes denuclearization does get done, it will be judged by that same standard.

There is no unbiased media anymore, and Trump's presidency has highlighted that.

I don't fault Punch for thinking that Mueller's investigation is going to produce some shocking outcome that will force Trump out, any more than I fault a Fox news viewer for believing that it was all a FBI conspiracy. You can't get balanced news anymore, even if you watch multiple outlets. You simply get the proTrump/antiTrump spin trumped up to the Nth degree.


Some things I consider reality with as little spin as possible:
NK tensions have eased considerably
Stock market numbers are in positive territory
Our allies feelings are hurt, but not to the point of abandoning any of our alliances
The economy is generally good
Oil prices are rising due to mideast and global pressures
Israel/Iran tensions are a serious concern
US school shootings have not been dealt with in any effective way
Putin - Trump secretly got married in Vegas, but hey what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas

[Giantone]

So trump denounce's our allies and turns buddy buddy with a dictator who has murdered his own family and has one of the worst human rights records on the planet yet the trump cult wants people to stand up for the tangerine moron in the WH, nope not doing it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So trump denounce's our allies and turns buddy buddy with a dictator who has murdered his own family and has one of the worst human rights records on the planet yet the trump cult wants people to stand up for the tangerine moron in the WH, nope not doing it.

The US has often been buddy buddy with dictators, including Stalin, when it suited us. 5 Brutal Dictators The U.S. Helped Slaughter Hundreds Of Thousands

I'm not defending or decrying it. Just saying dictators fall because they are dictators, not because of US moral outrage.

[punch it in]

I especially like the video montage i just saw (of very real fox news hosts and gop members - not fake ones made by the liberal news deep state machine lol) absolutely slamming in the most smug way Obama for even mentioning he would like to sit down with NK and “talk” , than fast forward a few years - and voila these same exact people praising Trump for his photo op with NK. Shocker.
The only difference is that “pussy” Obama would not have kissed Jung Un’s ass and given concessions about ending American military exercise with SK for absolutely nothing. Talk about a weak and bad deal. Absolutely amazing how people think this dude is some hardball tough guy. Only people he talks tough to is our allies. While he lets Putin off the hook and makes Jung Un look like Ghandi. GTFOH.

[CRedskinsRule]

Punch, I agree with your point to a degree. I think though it goes back to who trusted who. In my opinion, Pres Obama would sell out the US capitalistic beliefs in a heartbeat, and when he made treaties, he was looking for us to move towards more socialism, and his deals often if not always favored our opponents. In my opinion, Trump is looking for more capitalistic, US friendly or US win deals.

If the same exact events happened under Pres Obama, I would have felt far less secure and far more like he was selling us out. I don't believe Pompeo, or Bolton are going to be taken by surprise and I believe they are going to help ensure that any treaties that may be signed are truly verifiable.

I would also add that the exact same in reverse could be said about CNN/MSNBC hosts, IF Pres Obama had made these exact same actions, CNN and MSNBC would have been slobbering over him.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The US has often been buddy buddy with dictators, including Stalin, when it suited us. 5 Brutal Dictators The U.S. Helped Slaughter Hundreds Of Thousands

I'm not defending or decrying it. Just saying dictators fall because they are dictators, not because of US moral outrage.

Well we haven't had a dictator here in the WH before so this is still new to us.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Some things I consider reality with as little spin as possible:
1)NK tensions have eased considerably
2)Stock market numbers are in positive territory
3)Our allies feelings are hurt, but not to the point of abandoning any of our alliances
4)The economy is generally good
5)Oil prices are rising due to mideast and global pressures
6)Israel/Iran tensions are a serious concern
7)US school shootings have not been dealt with in any effective way
8)Putin - Trump secretly got married in Vegas, but hey what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas

1) agreed but only becuase he blew up his nuclear weapons site ,it collapsed

2) Yes , but they were for Obama all so.

3)...don't be sure

4) as it was under Obama all so

5) No, due to your number # 6 .......and trump pulling out of the Iranian deal.
6)Yes, I agree and Iran isn't NK,it won't be as easy.

7) I am in 100% agreement with you.

8) Now you know why Melaina has been out of sight.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I especially like the video montage i just saw (of very real fox news hosts and gop members - not fake ones made by the liberal news deep state machine lol) absolutely slamming in the most smug way Obama for even mentioning he would like to sit down with NK and “talk” , than fast forward a few years - and voila these same exact people praising Trump for his photo op with NK. Shocker.
The only difference is that “pussy” Obama would not have kissed Jung Un’s ass and given concessions about ending American military exercise with SK for absolutely nothing. Talk about a weak and bad deal. Absolutely amazing how people think this dude is some hardball tough guy. Only people he talks tough to is our allies. While he lets Putin off the hook and makes Jung Un look like Ghandi. GTFOH.

One other thing though, NK did dismantle a test site, and then today announced dismantling a rocket facility (i believe, but waiting to see confirmation) Yes those are both steps that can be reversed, but so can holding training excersises. And I promise one thing, while we will know if they try to rebuild, our armed forces and SK's are more than ready even with one training cycle cancelled. I would call these steps on both sides decent good faith efforts, and hopefully they lead to a verifiable, lasting peace.

I did read the texts of the Panmounjung accord from earlier this year and the agreement text from yesterday. There is still wiggle room, and I imagine if NK decides to get out of the deal, our next practices will be pretty damn intense.

What hasn't been addressed at all in any of the texts is how NK/SK become one Korea again, even it is stated as a goal throughout.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One other thing though, NK did dismantle a test site, and then today announced dismantling a rocket facility (i believe, but waiting to see confirmation) Yes those are both steps that can be reversed, but so can holding training excersises. And I promise one thing, while we will know if they try to rebuild, our armed forces and SK's are more than ready even with one training cycle cancelled. I would call these steps on both sides decent good faith efforts, and hopefully they lead to a verifiable, lasting peace.



I did read the texts of the Panmounjung accord from earlier this year and the agreement text from yesterday. There is still wiggle room, and I imagine if NK decides to get out of the deal, our next practices will be pretty damn intense.



What hasn't been addressed at all in any of the texts is how NK/SK become one Korea again, even it is stated as a goal throughout.

If you further read up on the dismantling of the “test” site. It is one of hundreds AND more importantly it had served its purpose and was no longer necessary. NK put their propaganda spin on it being some olive branch of peace and Fox news ran with it because they want Trump to look like a peace maker. Lol. NK and SK will never be one Korea as long as a murderous dictatorship is running NK and for Trump to say that he is impressed with Jung Un for being able to take over and run it in a “tough” way does nothing towards a goal of world peace. It hinders it.

[punch it in]

Can you imagine if Roosevelt had flattered Hitler, or how about if Obama had called Bin Laden a “smart cookie” or said he respected him? I bet you if you polled the Trumpers today that they would give higher marks to Jung Un than Obama. What is going on with our Presidency is absolute lunacy. No more. No less. For some reason this guy who has spent his life conning Americans (ill spare you the list of examples), is now getting a pass on anything and everything he does and says simply because his base does not like the black dude or the woman who he ran against. This is not a personal remark directed at you or chico or anyone on this board but at the majority of his base.