Gibbs the GM

[CrazyCanuck]

And I wish Schneed was a girl, so I could finally get married!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Nothing a satin tube top and pumps couldn't fix.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

The "experts" have long said the Redskins have some of the best cap people in the business. I believe that. I just find it hard to believe that these same experts who have been doing this for a living are wrong when saying we are getting in trouble at some point the next couple of years. I hope they are all wrong, I hope I am wrong too.

I think the reason the "experts" always think we're going to run into trouble is because they do understand how money allocates under the salary cap rules, but they don't take into consideration the changing financial dynamics in the NFL. Because the NFL is growing so fast, the cap grows along with it. That's why conservative teams like the Eagles always seem to have more cap room each year, they're not taking advantage of the fact that the cap will grow.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Daseal and I were talking about the possibility of signing Freeney next year if the Colts let him go.

Oh, to dream...

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Daseal and I were talking about the possibility of signing Freeney next year if the Colts let him go.

Oh, to dream...

Thats almost a wet dream

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Thats almost a wet dream

I had to clean my keyboard just now

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

And I wish Schneed was a girl, so I could finally get married!

CC, I've told you many times, no means no!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

do you think Portis is playing for 2.4mil a year for next 6 or 8 years, however long his contract is? Thats just not true. It may be 2.4mil this year and 3. something next year, but it will go up to an awful high salary, which probably will get redone for cap space. Those players are all making low amount because of the year of the contract, samuels just signed a deal this offseason, brunell redid his this offseason, Washington is in the second year, Griffin too, only the second year. Although I think we did actually get griffin cheap because I dont think his deal escalates more than 4 or 5 million at its highest. Moss, 1st year. You get where I am going. Now some of the players are cheap, sellers, BIG JOE, they wont be cap problems. I am tired of talking about this thread, its giving me a headache. have fun!!

I think Canuck's point is that while you get screwed in one year by one or two horrible dead cap hits, IN THAT YEAR you also get a bunch of bargains by spreading the cap hit down the road. Next year we'll probably have a big dead cap hit from Lavar. But Taylor, Washington, Griffin, Jansen, Santana and the other guys will all be relative bargains. The point is that it all evens out in any given year.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

WOW! This thread just took a turn for the worse (or better depends on how you look at it!). LOL

[skinsguy]

I'm very very very afraid! :-O

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK, yet another ridiculous innaccuracy in this thread regarding cap management. I think Canuck needs to teach a class (Canuck I had a feeling you were a fellow finance guy, now I'm sure of it after that cost of capital post).

When you RENEGOTIATE a contract you are RARELY adding more money. You're taking the roster bonus or base salary from the old contract and turning it into a signing bonus. The player doesn't care what you call the payment, they just care that they're getting it. They sign a deal for the same amount of money they were previously contracted for, and the cap hit is spread evenly over multiple seasons rather than hitting all that year. Every one of the Skins' big contracts are structured this way on purpose, so that when the big roster bonuses are due they can then be renegotiated into signing bonuses. Brunell and Jansen just restructured in this very manner. Moss, Springs, Portis, and several others will all do the same thing in the next few years.

thats wrong, you do add more gauranteed money then whats left on the last contract or players don't sign it. If you didn't understand my post that's fine, but that doesn't make it either ridiculous or inaccurate. And your wrong if you don't think players care about what they're making or how much gauranteed money is in the deal. Samuels has refused to rework his contract a while back, wynn reufsed to rework his i believe under spurrier, it happens.

And this I find to be absurd. Football in the NFL is a team game, you need depth more than you need stars. Yes, Sean Taylor does great things for our team, and he's probably the MVP of the defense. But that's not to say guys like Joe Salavea'a and Lemar Marshall aren't incredibly important.

did i say they weren't? you can get depth in the draft too, and its not any more expensive outside of the first or second round. I was saying that generally better players get drafted than go undrafted. I fail to see how that's absurd. It seems like you're argueing just to argue, cause you're implying arguements i've never made.

And if I can add one thing, just for a friggin reality check... don't you see a difference between the team this year and the team before Gibbs got here?

I have no idea where this came from... am i not allowed to discuss topics here without being accused of not liking gibbs, the team or whatever you're trying to imply?

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I had to clean my keyboard just now

Lmao finally made me laff thanx

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

thats wrong, you do add more gauranteed money then whats left on the last contract or players don't sign it. If you didn't understand my post that's fine, but that doesn't make it either ridiculous or inaccurate. And your wrong if you don't think players care about what they're making or how much gauranteed money is in the deal. Samuels has refused to rework his contract a while back, wynn reufsed to rework his i believe under spurrier, it happens.

No man. You're confusing a contract extension with a contract renegotiation. Here's an example so you can understand: in 2006 Portis is due a $3 million roster bonus. He is owed that money if we keep him, it's just not guaranteed that we'll keep him and pay him. Of course Gibbs loves Portis, so they'll want to keep him. That $3 million, if paid as a roster bonus, counts all in 2006 against the cap. Portis will renegotiate it into a signing bonus, where he gets the $3 million in 2006 just as he would have under his old contract. Except now that is a signing bonus it will hit the cap over a couple years. Brunell, Jansen, and several others did this with their base salaries over this very offseason.

Now when you are saying that they're adding guaranteed money, that's a contract extension like what we gave Chris Samuels. His situation was different because he was still on his rookie contract, and was looking for his big pay day. We had to give him a larger signing bonus, but we also now have him for more years. But for the guys who already had their first big pay day like Moss, Griffin, Washington, Springs, Portis, Jansen, and Brunell, they're all willing to renegotiate their contract's structure as long as it means they still get the same amount of cash.

This leverages the salary cap to manageable levels and allows us to keep the team's core together in the long haul.

Originally Posted by That Guy

I have no idea where this came from... am i not allowed to discuss topics here without being accused of not liking gibbs, the team or whatever you're trying to imply?

When I said we needed a reality check, I was intending to address everyone. So I'm sorry if it came out like I was talking just to you. I just meant to point out that it seems ridiculous to criticize Gibbs' GM moves when the vast majority have worked out and are now producing a winning team that figures to be competitive all season long. The proof is in the pudding.

[That Guy]

scheed, misunderstood your point on roster BONUSES, my bad, i thought you meant something else.

and all i was trying to do is point out that he's not perfect, cause none of the mistakes were listed and the lost draft picks are kinda a big deal to some people (like me).

the big problem we had was spurrier as a GM, who let go of good talent for cheap (bad) talent and didn't think twice about it. before SS, we had a much better team then after his stint. i think we're rebuilding well, but we've still got 3-4 bad contracts on us, a lack of draft picks, and a bunch of dead money.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

scheed, misunderstood your point on roster BONUSES, my bad, i thought you meant something else.

and all i was trying to do is point out that he's not perfect, cause none of the mistakes were listed and the lost draft picks are kinda a big deal to some people (like me).

the big problem we had was spurrier as a GM, who let go of good talent for cheap (bad) talent and didn't think twice about it. before SS, we had a much better team then after his stint. i think we're rebuilding well, but we've still got 3-4 bad contracts on us, a lack of draft picks, and a bunch of dead money.

Yeah there's definitely some mistakes. Like Mike Barrow. And no doubt we'll miss the draft picks. Nobody's perfect for sure. But I definitely wouldn't change the GM alignment.

Brunell looked like he was going to be the big mistake, but now I think he's absolutely worth the $43 million. Jury's still out on Campbell, that was a ton of draft picks to give up for him. I have to give him a chance to prove he's worth it though.