Not drafting a QB a mistake?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Yup, because this is exactly what i've been saying this thread the franchise is gonna come down in shambles because the team didn't draft some low-round project QB. Yup that exactly, thanks for clearing that up for me.

But that's my whole beef with using the term "mistake" here. If a move didn't do damage then it's really hard for me to call it a mistake. The most you can say at this point in time is "potential missed opportunity".

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But that's my whole beef with using the term "mistake" here. If a move didn't do damage then it's really hard for me to call it a mistake. The most you can say at this point in time is "potential missed opportunity".

I know right? I truly had no idea that people were this sensitive to the word 'mistake'.

For me a move doesn't have to do damage to be a mistake. Passing on player that the team could have used is a mistake right? And just because I disagree with a specific move or consider not addressing an area a mistake doesn't mean that I think its a big deal or I consider it a huge need. I also consider not drafting a TE a mistake, and again I don't think the team will implode because of the lack.

Anyhow, I like our QBs, (from Griffin to Colt, yes Colt). I'm a big fan of Scott and I'm all about building the trenches. But from a team building perspective being that we're a WCO in year 2 of a new regime with a QB specialist HC and unless we forget everything was not good with the QBs last year the HC/OC was unhappy enough to bench 2 QBs last year and looking forward none of the QBs are signed for 2016 for me it made sense to me to select a QB somewhere in this draft.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I know right? I truly had no idea that people were this sensitive to the word 'mistake'.

For me a move doesn't have to do damage to be a mistake. Passing on player that the team could have used is a mistake right? And just because I disagree with a specific move or consider not addressing an area a mistake doesn't mean that I think its a big deal or I consider it a huge need.

Anyhow, I like our QBs, (from Griffin to Colt, yes Colt). I'm a big fan of Scott and I'm all about building the trenches. But from a team building perspective being that we're a WCO in year 2 of a new regime with a QB specialist HC who benched 2 QBs last year and having no QBs signed for 2016 it made sense to me to select a QB somewhere in this draft.

Then every draft every year is filled with mistakes.

I really don't get the point you are trying to convey. I think this is what your OP and basis for this thread is:

Given: the qb's we have on the roster before the draft aren't likely to be successful.
Belief: we should have used at least one pick on a qb in the draft.
Result: the fact that we didn't was a bad decision by those doing the drafting.

Is that right?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A lot of smoke here with little fire. If QB was a huge need and there was a legit guy that SM was targeting, pretty sure he would be here. Besides I don't think drafting a later rd QB in a mediocre QB class was going to do anything to help in the short term.

Didn't we have this same, or very similar discussion, about safeties (and in the same ad nauseum manner)?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I know right? I truly had no idea that people were this sensitive to the word 'mistake'.

For me a move doesn't have to do damage to be a mistake. Passing on player that the team could have used is a mistake right? And just because I disagree with a specific move or consider not addressing an area a mistake doesn't mean that I think its a big deal or I consider it a huge need. I also consider not drafting a TE a mistake, and again I don't think the team will implode because of the lack.

I am one of those who is struggling with your wording and your stance. I would not classify passing on the QB or the TE as a mistake, even if they could have helped, unless the players that they did draft don't pan out.

We could have used a developmental QB and another depth TE, but we could use players at every single position except punter (yeah Tress!).

If we didn't pick up a G and went for a TE instead the shoe would just be on the other foot. Just one example.

The draft is full of missed opportunities and also full of opportunities fulfilled. Only time can tell where we came out. I can't call passing on a QB a mistake, it's simply the wrong word at this point in time.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Then every draft every year is filled with mistakes.

I really don't get the point you are trying to convey. I think this is what your OP and basis for this thread is:

Given: the qb's we have on the roster before the draft aren't likely to be successful.
Belief: we should have used at least one pick on a qb in the draft.
Result: the fact that we didn't was a bad decision by those doing the drafting.

Is that right?

That has been my understanding based on 30gut's posts. So allow me to beat a dead horse further.

(1) The assumed premise of the query has been a subject of much debate and, at its core, this thread is just another way for 30gut to flog this particular dead horse. I for one don't accept the premise as absolute. I don't disagree that last year's performance at the QB position was beyond problematic. At the same time, and for reasons I (and others) have stated many times in many other threads, I don't believe the poor performance by RGIII and KC over the last two years is proof positive of their inability to succeed in the NFL. Thus, for me (and I assume many others), their is a certain pointlessness to debating the inevitably speculative question posed about draft values based off a premise with which I simply do not accept as a given.

(2) For the sake of argument, even if the assumed premise is true, the facts of the current QB situation and the options available in this draft did not make taking a QB in this year's draft a necessity. Bottom line, for this year, we have three guys who can play QB. Maybe not well, but they can play and do not automatically doom us to a loss - each has won games at this level. Further, outside of "mortgaging the future" for JW or MM, or an incredible stroke of Tom Brady lightning, no QB drafted was likely to perform as a starter this year at better level than one of the three already on the roster (If you disagree with this presumption, fine. However, I would suggest that this is a substantially less debatable premise than your "none of our current QB's will succeed" premise).

As such, the implied assertion in the OP that "we should have used at least one pick on a qb in the draft" is premised upon two assumptions that are incredibly speculative: (1) there was a developmental QB in the draft that could displace one of the existing QB's on the roster and (2) the QB was available at a place in the draft where his value exceeded the value of the player actually taken.

To me, any response to this assertion is speculation upon speculation and for the OP'er to condemn folks for speculating in response to a question that cannot be answered in any way but through speculation is somewhat hypocritical. Who knows? Inevitably there will be pro bowl players passed over for guys who end up out of the league in a couple years (DeJon Gomes twelve picks before Richard Sherman comes to mind).

(3) The implied conclusion of the OP - that the failure to take a QB was a mistake/missed opportunity/whatever - is reached only through rank speculation based on a much debated premise. I mean, if it's your opinion, fine. You're entitled. However, passing off the OP as an invitation to dialogue is really nothing more than rhetorical chicanery.


Let me some up the entire thread for you:

(1) 30gut (and others) think RGIII, KC and CM suck and need to be replaced ASAP.
(2) Many people disagree.

[Hog1]

Let me some up the entire thread for you:

(1) 30gut (and others) think RGIII, KC and CM suck and need to be replaced ASAP.
(2) Many people disagree.

THAT's it!
Close the thread.....

[CRedskinsRule]

sorry, I should let the close thread movement gain steam, but here is the definition of "mistake" from Merriam Webster:

a wrong action or statement proceeding from faulty judgment, inadequate knowledge, or inattention

So to answer the OP based on this definition:
No, I do not think it was a mistake. Yes I think that SM and others had good judgement, adequate to good knowledge, and were very focused on the task at hand.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Let me some up the entire thread for you:

(1) 30gut (and others) think RGIII, KC and CM suck and need to be replaced ASAP.
(2) Many people disagree.

THAT's it!
Close the thread.....

Lol, some posts in this thread are funny and slightly disturbing that people seems to be purposefully misrepresenting my posts and statements. Lol, the posrtion you quote above takes the cake because its almost verbatim opposite with a statement I made only a few posts ago.

I can't wait to read what I really mean/think next.

And oh btw

[Hog1]

It's the offseason.....no worries
and I'm pretty sure I know where you stand on this!

[over the mountain]

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.

[Alvin Walton]

Not drafting Hroniss Grasu was a mistake.

[OnceWeWereKings]

30gut kinda reminds me of gary84clark....arguing and calling it dialoguing...then in a very passive aggressive way telling people they are stupid for not agreeing with him.
Harsh reminds me of gary84clark.

[That Guy]

i mean, tell me which QB outside the 1st round that you think is going to make it big in the league, and we'll see if you're right in a few years. I bet whoever you pick will (99%) never make a pro bowl, and probably won't end up winning 16 games (total) before retiring from the NFL. if we can't see a guy that'll be a clear upgrade over our backups in two years, then it's a bit of a wasted pick vs someone who will actually make the active roster. just my opinion.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

30gut kinda reminds me of gary84clark....arguing and calling it dialoguing...then in a very passive aggressive way telling people they are stupid for not agreeing with him.
Harsh reminds me of gary84clark.

In his defense he's one of the best analytical thinkers when it comes to X's and O's we have on this site, and I don't think he has insinuated that anybody is stupid.

He's trying to get some meaningful discussion going which I appreciate, it's an enjoyable topic to discuss.

I think we've been talking past one another in this thread a lot - ultimately you can't judge whether this past draft was a success or failure until 3 years from now. As long as we keep that perspective this can still be a valuable discussion.