Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I just don't see the fascination with Wade Phillips. I want a young aggresive DC like Bowles, which is what Ken Norton Jr. Brings. Phillips just doesn't show any emotion like Haslett. We need someone to get in the face of a player when they fuck up.

Difference is Wade Phillips has a MUCH better track record as a DC than Hazboro did.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I just don't see the fascination with Wade Phillips. I want a young aggresive DC like Bowles, which is what Ken Norton Jr. Brings. Phillips just doesn't show any emotion like Haslett. We need someone to get in the face of a player when they fuck up.

Phillips gets his players to play for him, so that they don't F up. And gives them donuts when they succeed (j/k)

Phillips has been DC 7 times, from that his units performed to where he was either interim HC or given a HC job 6 times. I don't know what exactly that means, I take it that he is not a great HC, but knows how to work in a team environment and get his defenses to perform. His average stint at any job is about 3 years. In my opinion that would be a good thing, if he came in got the D going.

That said if we brought in a young aggressive guy that might be good too. I just want a competent D Coordinator, don't really care which style he has.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree with most of this as it relates to our talent or lack of it at safety. Other than the short time Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry played together we have not had a good pair of safety's (needed to be a good defense) since we had Brad Edwards, Danny Copeland and Todd Bowles all the way back in 1992. That is a long time ago, which partly explains why we have not had a dominate defense since.
As is repeated over and over again during playoffs, you win (in the playoffs) by 1) good defense 2) running the ball. If you can not do this your chances to advance are lessened.
Our biggest weakness in our defense last season going into 2014 was at safety. But yet we spent most of our available cap money on Orakpo, Hatcher and DJax. Then we drafted a LB at the top of our draft. The huge hole at safety and to a lesser extent O-line has to be a priority to fix. We currently have terrible Safety's.

This is why I think the questions posed to Allen were legitimate. What fan or reasonable football analyst, going into last offseason didn't see RT and Safety as the top needs of our team. How did we address either? inadequately at best.

[MTK]

Phillips would be a good stop gap and he's a master of the 3-4. We could do a lot worse. There's a lot more to being a good coach than emotion.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

what ever happened to our old DBs coach gray? is he still with Pitt or wherever he went?

i remember a lot of people inside and out of the skins liked him for bigger things . ..

Think he's with the Titans.

As for Phillips, he's a better DC than Haslett and a better HC than Gruden. His track record shows it

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by WillH

Just curious, but why? His stint with the Lions looks pretty lousy, they ranked dead last in yards AND points. What makes you think he'll do any better here?

Just to be clear, I'm asking sincerely, I know nothing of him other than that 1 stat.

Well the whole team was lousy in Detroit at that time. Barry interests me because he was most recently a special teams coordinator as well, and from what I hear many think he has HC potential

[SFREDSKIN]

I want someone that will require discipline, that is something this defense and for that matter the whole team has lacked since Gibbs left. Yeah, I've seen Phillips throughout his boring career, he is a decent DC.(better than Haslett for sure) I'm not satisfied with being average after 21 years of losing, I want a young hungry guy that wants to prove himself. I'm tired of retreads doing the same shit with different teams and getting canned after a few years. I want a winner who will change the attitude of the defense like a young Richie Petitbone. Give that Barry guy a chance, sure why not?

[CRedskinsRule]

I will take a discipline guy if they get one, but your discounting of Phillips is ridiculous. I don't think he ever was fired as a DC and he is widely recognized as a top tier DC, not a run of the mill retread.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Difference is Wade Phillips has a MUCH better track record as a DC than Hazboro did.

Wade Phillips Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Over his career, Phillips has delivered 7 defenses ranked in the top 5 in points allowed for 5 different teams. He didn't get a lot of help on some of those teams from the offense.

If anybody has a better track record on the defensive side of the ball we should hire them.

He has the exact opposite track record of Haslett. He has consistently been not only in the top half of the league, but in the top 10.

I like the idea of a young hire also, but Phillips is top notch.

[SFREDSKIN]

And there is this, which I totally agree with (having seen it over and over). Short term, yes. Long term, no.

Houston Texans Defense Will Collapse in Year Two Under Wade Phillips | Bleacher Report

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And there is this, which I totally agree with (having seen it over and over). Short term, yes. Long term, no.

Houston Texans Defense Will Collapse in Year Two Under Wade Phillips | Bleacher Report

Talk about cherry picking statistics. That guy's story is so misleading. In every single example he cited he didn't give any numbers from the next couple of years with the same teams.

The 3rd year in Philly, his defense was back up to 14th.

He followed up the bad year in Denver with having the 3rd ranked D in 91.

After the bad year in Buff, he lead the 2nd ranked D in the league in 99.

San Diego, he was back to 7th after the bad year there.

There are going to be good years and bad years because of injury, personnel changes and the dependency on the offense to not leave you on the field for 3/4 of the game. His last year in Houston, his defense, as bad as it was still had a better ranking than their terrible offense.

Bleacher report analysis isn't the best out there but the author did point out how defensive rankings were like a roller coaster with huge swings up and down. At least the author of that article doesn't split his time covering English Premier League Soccer.

Phillips has averaged ranking 14.5 in points allowed over his career. He is averaging being in the top half of the league.

He hasn't squeaked into the top half either.

Top 10 defense 10 times.

Top 5 defense 5 times.

I don't believe anybody thinks Phillips is the answer for the next decade. We aren't the Steelers.

He is a good defensive coordinator who would help us in the short term if we can't find the next big thing.

[SFREDSKIN]

The problem with Phillips is that he is a nice guy, players take advantage of his good nature. We need someone that won't let the insane run the asylum, that's what worries me. The culture in the locker room needs to change, players need to be held accountable with no free rides.

[JoeRedskin]

A good coach is a good coach. Getting in players faces may work at first, but, without good coaching, it wears thin fast. What matters is getting results. W. Phillips gets results.

Like others have said, he is not a long term plan but he is a HUGE upgrade over Hazlett.
I got no problem with WP. I would count us lucky to get him.

[Bangee7]

I just reviewed Barry's stats from his stint in Detroit...yikes! Gave up the most points and most yards...BOTH years.

I'm not sure why we're looking hard at him at this point.

There has to be better candidates out there.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

A good coach is a good coach. Getting in players faces may work at first, but, without good coaching, it wears thin fast. What matters is getting results. W. Phillips gets results.

Like others have said, he is not a long term plan but he is a HUGE upgrade over Hazlett.
I got no problem with WP. I would count us lucky to get him.

Just to be clear, the only reason Wade wouldn't be a long term solution is that he's 67. Not everybody can be Dick LeBeau (77), lol.