Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I always say "If they do this... I am done with the team." But something they do always brings me back and gives me hope.

Q: When is having hope detrimental to mental health?

A: When you're a Redskins Fan!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I like Gruden. Dude doesn't smoke screen us in interviews and lets the public know what he really thinks. Does that make him a good coach? Absolutely not, but I get the feeling the guy knows what he's doing. But I also feel like he's trying to metaphorically make a six million dollar man out of a trash can and two Popsicle sticks.

Ergo, he's not working with much. Outside of the usual players we know and love and constantly name (Kerrigan, Alfmo, T. Williams, DJax, Garcon, Breeland etc) what else do we really have? Players are constantly injured, we have a bunch of awful and/or inconsistent and/or constantly injured and/or players just taking up roster space on the team (Polumbus, Orakpo, Reed, Paulsen, Hankerson, Chester, Neild even though I liked him, Biggers, Porter... you get the idea) and somehow we still have almost NO depth at any position.

Long story short, this better not be a 1 and done year for Gruden.

The Redskins were not Jay's first choice and he had serious reservations about taking the job. But there are only so many NFL Head Coach openings available each year and the opportunity is ultimately too much to pass up.

My point though, is that Jay-unlike many others-had intimate knowledge of the situation here even before he interviewed. So almost none of this should come as a surprise. The one surprise to him, the one major surprise, is that he really thought Griffin was further along than he actually is. Even though his own brother told him he wasn't

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Redskins were not Jay's first choice and he had serious reservations about taking the job. But there are only so many NFL Head Coach openings available each year and the opportunity is ultimately too much to pass up.

My point though, is that Jay-unlike many others-had intimate knowledge of the situation here even before he interviewed. So almost none of this should come as a surprise. The one surprise to him, the one major surprise, is that he really thought Griffin was further along than he actually is. Even though his own brother told him he wasn't

I wonder if he's regretting the decision now.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

1. What matters most to us, as fans, is winning the next game. That is not necessarily true of an NFL owner. Dan Snyder may hope to build a winner but perhaps he expects it to take longer than we would like - AND I'm sure that he would like to do it with the very marketable RGIII as his QB.

2. Like you, I also don't want the owner and GM dictating to the coach who he should start. Unfortunately for us, I'm pretty sure that Snyder and Allen don't care about our opinions on that matter. They will use their authority as they see fit.

What I'm trying to say to you is that you might as well accept that there is going to continue to be some degree of interference with Coach Gruden's plans by higher management.

How long of banging your head against the wall and hurting yourself (14 years?) before you try something different. Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result. Just saying.
If Dan Snyder had a boss, DS would have been fired a long time ago....for incompetence.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I wonder if he's regretting the decision now.

Kind of get the sense he is, don't you?

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kind of get the sense he is, don't you?

Do you think there's buyers remorse on Snyder's end, if not Allen's? Jay seems like Zorn.2, totally over his head in terms of leadership ability and knowledge, I would think Snyder is have déjà vu nightmares.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kind of get the sense he is, don't you?

I can't say for sure honestly. I haven't viewed any of his press conferences, the most news I get about him is from here and from video snippets I see here and there. He seems frustrated definitely, I know it's usually aimed at RG3 but I'm not sure if it's RG3, the players or the entire organization from top to bottom that is the core cause of the frustration. Like I said, I like the guy a lot, I hope he doesn't quit on us or that Snyder doesn't quit on him but by the way it seems to be going, this isn't going to end amicably whenever it does end.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kind of get the sense he is, don't you?

Solely based on the fact of the QB situation? If he had knowledge of the other stuff...? Jay seems tough, hope he wouldn't let this affect him. Bottom line, half the league seems to have questions at qb, even teams destined for the playoffs; this situation isn't all that different somewhere else is my point.

[mooby]

Can anyone think of any head coach who has started out his HC career like this and been able to turn it around with the same team and win Super Bowls? This makes me nervous, what if it's Jay who decides to leave after the season because he's not up to a total rebuild job with RG3?

I definitely feel like we're looking at a total rebuild job with RG3. I don't expect him to come out this week and suddenly look like he's got it, and I honestly don't expect that to happen at all this season. We might get lucky here and there, but if there's any hope at all at salvaging RG3's potential I think we have to commit for the long haul (aka 1+ season wasted). What if JG isn't up to that? All I can think is that if JG bails on us after a year we are set back for 1-3 years of failure, especially if the franchise bails on RG3. I'm honestly starting to think the "rebuild RG3" option with at least 1 wasted season might be our best chance at getting back our shot at true long term success with the least amount of time wasted.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Do you think there's buyers remorse on Snyder's end, if not Allen's? Jay seems like Zorn.2, totally over his head in terms of leadership ability and knowledge, I would think Snyder is have déjà vu nightmares.

I don't. Not yet at least.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mooby

Can anyone think of any head coach who has started out his HC career like this and been able to turn it around with the same team and win Super Bowls? This makes me nervous, what if it's Jay who decides to leave after the season because he's not up to a total rebuild job with RG3?

I definitely feel like we're looking at a total rebuild job with RG3. I don't expect him to come out this week and suddenly look like he's got it, and I honestly don't expect that to happen at all this season. We might get lucky here and there, but if there's any hope at all at salvaging RG3's potential I think we have to commit for the long haul (aka 1+ season wasted). What if JG isn't up to that? All I can think is that if JG bails on us after a year we are set back for 1-3 years of failure, especially if the franchise bails on RG3. I'm honestly starting to think the "rebuild RG3" option with at least 1 wasted season might be our best chance at getting back our shot at true long term success with the least amount of time wasted.

Jimmy Johnson in Dallas comes to mind but his circumstances were different than Brother of Chucky's.

[redskin37]

The problem is RG3 not JG.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by redskin37

The problem is RG3 not JG.

True but that's not the way Dan Snyder will see it at the end of the season

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't. Not yet at least.

That is good news and speaks well of Snyder and Allen. I don't know what to think of Allen as GM though.

Seems like you have more inside knowledge than anyone here, did you know if Snyder had high expectations for this season?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Do you think there's buyers remorse on Snyder's end, if not Allen's? Jay seems like Zorn.2, totally over his head in terms of leadership ability and knowledge, I would think Snyder is have déjà vu nightmares.

On what are you basing the conclusion that he is in over his head in terms of leadership and knowledge?