Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Absolutely the worst part because this is not a developmental problem. This is an innate inability problem. Does anyone in their rite mind believe he is being told to hold the ball for 3-5 seconds than check down without progressing thru his reads?!? That's ridiculous.

What?

Your inner clock is a development as a quarterback. It can change through out the game and you learn through PLAYING how to adjust to it.

Nobody remembers the days of throwing bags at the QB or tennis balls to have them move in the pocket?

RG3 needs to play. He's the best QB we have and the only way for him to get better and get some swagger back is for him to be on the field and fight through the tough years just like every other QB has had to do.

Just 3 weeks ago NFL network was talking about Brady being done....

I'm just saying.. People need to stop with all this higher expectation bullshit right now. Prediction thread last week had like 2 people assuming we would lose and everyone thinking we were winning or blowing out the Bucs.

Guess what? We are the Bucs right now.. Our team is not very good and that includes the QB. Can they get better? Yeah.. Absolutely with the right leadership and I believe that man is here now.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Bucket

What?



Your inner clock is a development as a quarterback. It can change through out the game and you learn through PLAYING how to adjust to it.



Nobody remembers the days of throwing bags at the QB or tennis balls to have them move in the pocket?



RG3 needs to play. He's the best QB we have and the only way for him to get better and get some swagger back is for him to be on the field and fight through the tough years just like every other QB has had to do.



Just 3 weeks ago NFL network was talking about Brady being done....



I'm just saying.. People need to stop with all this higher expectation bullshit right now. Prediction thread last week had like 2 people assuming we would lose and everyone thinking we were winning or blowing out the Bucs.



Guess what? We are the Bucs right now.. Our team is not very good and that includes the QB. Can they get better? Yeah.. Absolutely with the right leadership and I believe that man is here now.

You can throw tennis balls at him all you want, and he will have the words wilson imprinted all over his body.
Edit: Griff holds the ball too long ALOT. It does not seem his internal clock is adjusting. When he does get rid of it - it is usually locked in and checked down. He misses way too many wide open guys. Some guys never learn this, maybe he will and maybe he wont. Rite now the magic 8-ball says "doubtful".

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Bucket

What?

Your inner clock is a development as a quarterback. It can change through out the game and you learn through PLAYING how to adjust to it.

Nobody remembers the days of throwing bags at the QB or tennis balls to have them move in the pocket?

RG3 needs to play. He's the best QB we have and the only way for him to get better and get some swagger back is for him to be on the field and fight through the tough years just like every other QB has had to do.

Just 3 weeks ago NFL network was talking about Brady being done....

I'm just saying.. People need to stop with all this higher expectation bullshit right now. Prediction thread last week had like 2 people assuming we would lose and everyone thinking we were winning or blowing out the Bucs.

Guess what? We are the Bucs right now.. Our team is not very good and that includes the QB. Can they get better? Yeah.. Absolutely with the right leadership and I believe that man is here now.

What I see with RGIII often is not that his clock is too slow, it's that he has no clock at all.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Lotus

What I see with RGIII often is not that his clock is too slow, it's that he has no clock at all.

Thank you. This is what i was trying to say. You either have it or you dont. You cant coach dont.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

cant sit him, we have to coach him and play him to see results. makes zero sense to play colt. cant play, wont learn

I've seen enough. He can't fix all of his issues in six weeks.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Lotus

What I see with RGIII often is not that his clock is too slow, it's that he has no clock at all.

It is funny though, as the game progresses he changes. At the start of games he holds on to it, patting the ball all day, staring down one receiver until he gets sacked. Later in games he starts hopping about as soon as is it is snapped and automatically goes for the checkdown before anything can open up down the field.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

It is funny though, as the game progresses he changes. At the start of games he holds on to it, patting the ball all day, staring down one receiver until he gets sacked. Later in games he starts hopping about as soon as is it is snapped and automatically goes for the checkdown before anything can open up down the field.

That's what 6 sacks will do to you.

[Kope]

Listen to what Gruden says about how well Griffin played and Griffins leadership this week. He needs to keep up this brutal honesty. love it.

[Kindoy]

Seen too many good QBs make crappy O-lines look good to put this all on the OL

Edit: by "look good" I mean serviceable.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

Seen too many good QBs make crappy O-lines look good to put this all on the OL

Notice how you said good QB's and not developing QB's. No one is arguing that Tom Brady cant make his OL better. We are saying Tom Brady would be no where near as good today if he was under constant pressure and had to rely on faking out a DE and running himself in his first couple of years.

Aaron Rodgers... You really should listen to people in the know about how terrible his footwork and technique were early on. He was a Tedford disciple. The hold the football above your ear when dropping back technique. Some people associated with GB at the time said Rodgers would have busted as bad as Ryan Leaf if he had to play as a rookie. Even Rodgers first year as a starter was not impressive, and he was 4 or 5 years into the league at that point.

Rodgers can make a bad OL look good... now... after his development. That says nothing about developing a QB though. If they arent developed properly, they arent making a bad OL look good, except maybe RG3 as a rookie with an offense designed with no thought of actually developing him.

Development matters... I still cant understand how most think its completely unimportant.

[saden1]

Wow, people still think Jay Gruden is a good coach. When Snyder and co are doing the evaluation of the coaches how can you expect the coaches to be any good? How do you reconcile Allen saying "we don't have gaping holes" with reality? How can you give your hard earned dollars to watch this filth?


Bruce Arians....amazing. Jay Gruden...shit on a stick.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Notice how you said good QB's and not developing QB's. No one is arguing that Tom Brady cant make his OL better. We are saying Tom Brady would be no where near as good today if he was under constant pressure and had to rely on faking out a DE and running himself in his first couple of years.

Aaron Rodgers... You really should listen to people in the know about how terrible his footwork and technique were early on. He was a Tedford disciple. The hold the football above your ear when dropping back technique. Some people associated with GB at the time said Rodgers would have busted as bad as Ryan Leaf if he had to play as a rookie. Even Rodgers first year as a starter was not impressive, and he was 4 or 5 years into the league at that point.

Rodgers can make a bad OL look good... now... after his development. That says nothing about developing a QB though. If they arent developed properly, they arent making a bad OL look good, except maybe RG3 as a rookie with an offense designed with no thought of actually developing him.

Development matters... I still cant understand how most think its completely unimportant.

Agreed, development is important. Even the pro ready Andrew Luck is still developing, a lot. There was just a write up last week about how the Colts are expecting much improvement from Luck.

RG came to a bad team with horrible management. Bad situation. It's got to start at the top though, from ownership on down. One player can never fix a whole franchise.

[tc2deuce]

RGIII just proved to me that he doesn't give a care in the world about this team!
STUDY film!!!! 2 weeks to prepare for one of the worst secondaries in the league (next to ours) and you can't get DJax the ball!?!?!? No true leader goes to battle unprepared.
Step up or step down!!!!!!!!!!

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Notice how you said good QB's and not developing QB's. No one is arguing that Tom Brady cant make his OL better. We are saying Tom Brady would be no where near as good today if he was under constant pressure and had to rely on faking out a DE and running himself in his first couple of years.

Aaron Rodgers... You really should listen to people in the know about how terrible his footwork and technique were early on. He was a Tedford disciple. The hold the football above your ear when dropping back technique. Some people associated with GB at the time said Rodgers would have busted as bad as Ryan Leaf if he had to play as a rookie. Even Rodgers first year as a starter was not impressive, and he was 4 or 5 years into the league at that point.

Rodgers can make a bad OL look good... now... after his development. That says nothing about developing a QB though. If they arent developed properly, they arent making a bad OL look good, except maybe RG3 as a rookie with an offense designed with no thought of actually developing him.

Development matters... I still cant understand how most think its completely unimportant.

Just seems like during the short stretch when Colt played that the OL was less of an issue. Not saying that Colt is the answer or that I want him in - let's not turn this into that, but I'm just not 100% convinced that this OL can't be worked with/around.

[MTK]

Not sure I agree totally with Gruden's brutal honesty approach. Some things should be resolved behind closed doors. It's just fueling the fire and adding more doubt to the coach/QB relationship which is a critical one. We've got more problems than just RG3... and those fall on Gruden yet RG3 is taking most of the heat.