Redskins Trademark cancelled

[HoustonSkinsFan]

You know, it may be about money. But honestly, I don't think that's a totally awful thing... Conditions are deplorable on a lot of reservations, and frankly, the US government has a lot to do with that. Now, whether or not the money would actually go towards making things better is another discussion altogether, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion, I think.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Honestly, I think if the team ever did agree to the change, the other side would have to agree to a compromise. I think they could live with Braves or Warriors with the agreement that a certain percentage of income made was given to a local tribe or something like that. To me, if people like Susan Harjo or Amanda Blackhorse didn't agree to that, then it says to me it's all about the money. They may think they can stronghold them into an all or nothing change, but the truth is, I don't believe they have that much power. And knowing that these ridiculous lawsuits are popping up ($9B of the Cleveland Indians), eventually the general public is going to start thinking this is more about money than rights.

We had approval of the National Congress of American Indians. Dan Snyder funds a foundation for Native Americans. The whiny PC crowd apparently doesn't care about things like that.

[ram29jackson]

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this is good

HOLMBERG: Easier to protest Redskins’ name than actually help Native Americans | WTVR.com

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by tshile

I think you're being overly optimistic.

There's a bigger play at work here. And even if there isn't, the constantly shifting 'standards' of political correctness guarantee nothing if the team name is changed to anything that can be perceived as relating to any culture, race, creed, etc.

My opinion: if you change the name and leave any links to Native Americans in place, you're simply asking for us to go through all of this again at some point in the future. Personally - if we're going to change the name I prefer we change to something that doesn't mean decades of defending it again. I'm rather tired of the whole issue.

I might be overly optimistic, but when I start seeing frivolous lawsuits such as the one against the Cleveland Indians for $9 billion, then I start to see that this is a money thing more than anything else. And money talks, people listen. Everybody has their price, even these special interest groups. If the price is right, they go away satisfied and hopefully you've brokered a deal to either keep your name and logo, or change it to something that still remains Native American. Obviously that's still important to Daniel Snyder.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Why does it need to be an Indian name?

doesn't need to be, just made sense to me to revert back to our original name.

what part of [brave] "american indian warrior" is offensive?

if it was my team, i'd keep the redskins name until my profits hurt or until they made me change it > i would change it back to braves, and keep our current logo.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by HoustonSkinsFan

You know, it may be about money. But honestly, I don't think that's a totally awful thing... Conditions are deplorable on a lot of reservations, and frankly, the US government has a lot to do with that. Now, whether or not the money would actually go towards making things better is another discussion altogether, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion, I think.

In terms of these tribes getting money - hey, I don't blame them in those regards. These reservations need money. But I think there are better ways of going about it.

I think about this: Teams that have Native American names could really help to market great ways of raising awareness and raising money. For instance, $1 for every purchase made at home games could go toward a Native American fund. A % from ticket sells could also go toward this. Commercials could run during Redskins games speaking about the fund Snyder has created and ways to donate to that.

Or, you could just sue for $9 billion dollars, lol!

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by los panda

doesn't need to be, just made sense to me to revert back to our original name.

what part of [brave] "american indian warrior" is offensive?

if it was my team, i'd keep the redskins name until my profits hurt or until they made me change it > i would change it back to braves, and keep our current logo.

Supposedly, Native American mascots "dehumanize" Native Americans.

If the name changes, we need to stay away from all Native American references. Because if we don't, we will run into this baloney again. Unless we make a clear distinction to let people know we're not referencing Native Americans, I say no to Braves, Warriors, and any other similar terms.

[ram29jackson]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Supposedly, Native American mascots "dehumanize" Native Americans.

If the name changes, we need to stay away from all Native American references. Because if we don't, we will run into this baloney again. Unless we make a clear distinction to let people know we're not referencing Native Americans, I say no to Braves, Warriors, and any other similar terms.

giving into fools is not the answer

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

giving into fools is not the answer

What's your solution?

I don't see any way to effectively fight the wave of PCness that is sweeping the country. If it were just white governement liberals and the current minority of NAs that made up this particular part of the wave(the anti-Redskins angle), we could fight back. But this wave is like a tornado, tearing through the country and sucking up pretty much everyone in its path. It is now quite popular to either be offended at something, or to jump on someone else's "offense" bandwagon and go to town... or court... or the internet... and spread whatever outrage you're offended by, in order to gain the masses' sympathy, and/or soothe your own guilty conscience, and/or attempt to lift yourself up by putting on a show of sympathy or despairing offendedness. And so because of that, there's not just a few pro-name change people like there were in 90s; it's the majority of the country now, in my opinion. Seriously, there's even Redskins fans who have given in and have pity for those on the pro-name change side.

Remember this quote: "It isn't what it is, Tommy. It is never what it is. It's what it can be made to look like?" That is truth, ladies and gentleman... unfortunately, these people are very good at making the Redskins and our name look bad.

As long as Snyder is the owner, I think it's doubtful the name will change, unless some higher authority steps in and absolutely forces him to change it, which isn't entirely out of the question. I hope he continues to fight as long as possible, but I really don't see any way he can win.

[ram29jackson]

no court and no judge will appease these fools who are trying to attack one of the biggest money making business's in the country IE the NFL.

they have no legal ground to stand on and no proof of truth of their claim

..I don't need to know a solution. I just know the NFL will take care of it.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by ram29jackson

no court and no judge will appease these fools who are trying to attack one of the biggest money making business's in the country IE the NFL.

they have no legal ground to stand on and no proof of truth of their claim

I hope you're right.

[ram29jackson]

[ram29jackson]

don't hate me for being such a racist

[ram29jackson]

unless it becomes illegal to be a KKK member this cant go forth. if this succeeded the next step would be to arrest or fine people for wearing Redskins etc gear...maybe lol