Redskins Trademark cancelled

[ram29jackson]

Originally Posted by rainsleetorHail

Word definitions are determined one of two ways: prescriptively (authoritarian) or descriptively (democratically, determined by how they are in face used). Contemporary American dictionaries lean towards the latter.

Anyone who has looked up words in a dictionary knows there are often more than one senses or meanings listed for a given word.

The word Redskins--the team name--is obviously not used disparagingly nor as a slur (the team named themselves that, fans are proud of the name, etc.).

Therefore the patent office (as are name-changers) is making the error of conflating two different usages or meanings of the word Redskins, and should reverse their decision.

for example websters defines homophobia as though it were an actual thing when in fact there is absolutely no case study that proves anyone actually has that phobia.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

Please re-read my stance on boycotting. Another example- not a fan of Orson Scott Card's personal beliefs and public statements. Huge fan of Ender's Game. Wagner was one hell of a composer despite being an unapologetic anti-Semite. Mel Gibson's drunken rants? Don't tell me some of you aren't disgusted by his words, yet still watch his films. Separate the art from the artist. A song's message from its offensive content. A team from its nickname. It's the same way I can dance to "Ain't No Fun" in a club without stomping off the floor because of its misogynist (yes, offensive) lyrics.

Although I see the word Redskin as an offensive label, I tolerate it because I don't define the team I root for by its mascot or nickname. Being from the DMV area ties me to this team. I understand not everyone weighs the word equally right now. Just like how the n-bomb was part of everyday vernacular not so long ago, it took a few decades for the word to become universally rejected (despite some who say there are more important things to worry about than such words). But with sentiment quickly growing, right now will be tomorrow's misstep. Our future generations will wonder how exactly this name stuck around for so long.

I'll still be supporting this team after the name switches. For everyone holding on to the name for dear life- will you?

See I think this is where we differ. I don't equate tolerance to offense. Those are two different things. Tolerance means I accept whatever it is I tolerate. Doesn't have to be something I even like, but I accept it. Heck I might even be entertained by it.

Being offended, again my opinion, means that I do not tolerate whatever it is that has caused me offense. It's caused me personal grief, directly, and its caused me disruption in my soul.

Completely my opinion, but I would wager to say that a good amount of those who have hopped on the "change name" bandwagon, are there, not because they are personally offended by the name, but support the possibility that someone might be offended. In other words, they're looking to be offended at something.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

See I think this is where we differ. I don't equate tolerance to offense. Those are two different things. Tolerance means I accept whatever it is I tolerate. Doesn't have to be something I even like, but I accept it. Heck I might even be entertained by it.

Being offended, again my opinion, means that I do not tolerate whatever it is that has caused me offense. It's caused me personal grief, directly, and its caused me disruption in my soul.

Friend A: Your religion/god/diety is about as legitimate as the flying spaghetti monster.

Friend B: That statement totally offends me and what I stand for.

Friend A: So where do you feel like eating?

Friend B: Let's go grab some sushi.

See what I did here? Friend B does not define Friend A by his conflicting perspective towards his religious beliefs. Friend B is even offended by the statement. But it's just part of what makes Friend A, Friend A. There's much more to Friend A than just his offensive spiritual statement- honesty, loyalty, etc. Values that Friend B exhibit trump his offended feelings when religion is discussed.

I sincerely don't like the team name... But the name doesn't negate all the reasons (listed several pages back) why I follow the organization. Behaving in absolutes will eventually trip you up somewhere down the line.

How many people here saw the new X-Men? Bryan Singer (the director) is being accused of some pretty serious stuff. The average person had no idea this is going on, those who knew are naturally withholding judgment before boycotting... but I know quite a few industry heads who think he's guilty (based on years of well-known industry lore regarding Singer's circle) and went to see it anyway. I'm fairly certain they are offended/disgusted/soul crushed by child rape, but they did not define the entire film by the alleged actions of its director. When you boycott a film you originally intended to see, you also hurt the writers, editors, VFX, camera, talent, etc. (OT- Amy Berg is working on a documentary that is going to blow the lid off Hollywood's evil secret; just like she did with her previous documentary dealing with the Catholic Church).

Similar to how a director has the biggest creative role in a film, the Redskins name is obviously a big part of the team's brand. But there are other elements that connect a fan with the team; elements that trump the name.

[ram29jackson]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

See I think this is where we differ. I don't equate tolerance to offense. Those are two different things. Tolerance means I accept whatever it is I tolerate. Doesn't have to be something I even like, but I accept it. Heck I might even be entertained by it.
Being offended, again my opinion, means that I do not tolerate whatever it is that has caused me offense. It's caused me personal grief, directly, and its caused me disruption in my soul.

Completely my opinion, but I would wager to say that a good amount of those who have hopped on the "change name" bandwagon, are there, not because they are personally offended by the name, but support the possibility that someone might be offended. In other words, they're looking to be offended at something.

tolerance does not mean acceptance. I tolerate what gay people think is ok to do in their lives but I will never accept it. I can be nice to a gay person without accepting the gay lifestyle as right or normal. That is tolerance.

people try to define tolerance as acceptance and by definition it simply isnt

[ram29jackson]

[ram29jackson]

put mouse over logo to see who owns it etc

Washington Redskins Trademark: 600 Other Companies with Indian Mascots - TIME

[Hog1]

I heard Doc Walker say something today on the issue that made sense....not always the case with Doc!
He said to many non-white people think Jesse or Al speak for the black community because they are frequently the loudest....heard. Per Doc. "They DO NOT speak for me....or most of the black community".
Need to hear from the Indian community at large to get any value from the nonsense being....stirred about. To many non Indian....bogus Do-Gooders involved for any truth to come out.
BUT, would make a great "reality" tv show........
...........Osiyo!

[Counter-Tre]

Problem solved ya big dummies!

[mitch e]

Originally Posted by budw38

Synder should change the name to the Fed's . Put the US Capitol on one side of the helmet , the White house on the other . Put a second " Big screen " in the Stadium , show the ticker with our national debt running . Every Sunday ( or MNF ) , I would have on the screen a picture of " ass- of the week ", and have a politician's name and picture showing what they have done to hurt working Americans . Our home opener , have harry reid dressed like a dallass cowboy , nyg and an iggles cheerleader .

Our nickname could be the CAP's CROOKED ASS POLITICIANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

What irks me about this is the hyprocisy of a vast majority of the people that want it changed.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

Friend A: Your religion/god/diety is about as legitimate as the flying spaghetti monster.

Friend B: That statement totally offends me and what I stand for.

Friend A: So where do you feel like eating?

Friend B: Let's go grab some sushi.

See what I did here? Friend B does not define Friend A by his conflicting perspective towards his religious beliefs. Friend B is even offended by the statement. But it's just part of what makes Friend A, Friend A. There's much more to Friend A than just his offensive spiritual statement- honesty, loyalty, etc. Values that Friend B exhibit trump his offended feelings when religion is discussed.

I sincerely don't like the team name... But the name doesn't negate all the reasons (listed several pages back) why I follow the organization. Behaving in absolutes will eventually trip you up somewhere down the line.

How many people here saw the new X-Men? Bryan Singer (the director) is being accused of some pretty serious stuff. The average person had no idea this is going on, those who knew are naturally withholding judgment before boycotting... but I know quite a few industry heads who think he's guilty (based on years of well-known industry lore regarding Singer's circle) and went to see it anyway. I'm fairly certain they are offended/disgusted/soul crushed by child rape, but they did not define the entire film by the alleged actions of its director. When you boycott a film you originally intended to see, you also hurt the writers, editors, VFX, camera, talent, etc. (OT- Amy Berg is working on a documentary that is going to blow the lid off Hollywood's evil secret; just like she did with her previous documentary dealing with the Catholic Church).

Similar to how a director has the biggest creative role in a film, the Redskins name is obviously a big part of the team's brand. But there are other elements that connect a fan with the team; elements that trump the name.

What could possibly make you think that it would be appropriate to compare the Redskins name issue to the rape of a child? That is disgusting!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

What irks me about this is the hyprocisy of a vast majority of the people that want it changed.

By "hypocrisy" you mean that they don't really care about Indians but still support the name change?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Lotus

By "hypocrisy" you mean that they don't really care about Indians but still support the name change?

That is a piece of it.

[HailGreen28]

If the team has to change its name, the only result I would respect is dropping the Native American theme completely. Why keep that theme and continue to expose ourselves to the inevitable NEXT round of political correctness?

Until then, HTTR.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by mitch e

Our nickname could be the CAP's CROOKED ASS POLITICIANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely !!!!