The Gibbs Hypocrisy!

[56FAN]

i just wan to win baby, i've liked ramsey from the beginning. but for every good thing he does, he shoots himself in the foot.it's not personal it's just the turn overs. he's been harping on it all preseason and what does ramsey do the first game? turn it over 3 times in the first half.gibbs first loyalty needs to be to winning period. yes, ramsey thows better and stronger and longer but until he gets this turnover thing taken care of he'll continue to be his own worst enemy.i hope he does.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know this is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way so I will offer an apology to those who take offense, other than that to bad!

Gibbs states that we can't turn the ball over, and he wont tolerate it, Brunell 2004 9 TO's in 9 games. 2 of which directly lost us 2 games.

Gibbs now states that basically Brunells hamstring was the reason why he was as incompetent as he was last season, [maybe the worst QBing we have ever seen] yet he played his best game of the year 1 week after his supposed injury against dallas, and now we here all about his big time hammy.

Gibbs promises Brunell the starters position and gives him 9 games to play himself out of the starters position, given the fact that Brunell is a very experinced veteran who shouldn't need the same kind of a learning curve as let's say a young QB like Ramsey.



Ramsey is promised the starters job, after 1 early INT in his first regular season game with his new recieving corps he begins to move the ball up and down the field, at which point after 19 minutes Gibbs say's he's seen enough and has to go back to the teachers pet before Ramsey possibly does something to prevent him from getting Brunell back to starters status, so he doesn't look like an absolute incompetent fool for making that deal to get Brunell here in the first place. We cannot gloss over the fact that Gibbs cost his employer 42 million dollars, couple that with a system back like Portis for another 50 mil. that sure would motivate me to try and force a square peg through a round hole, imagine having to tell your employer you just cost them almost 100 mil and it's not working. And so long as Ramsey starts, thats what's being said.

Gibbs makes the move, which is probably the first I can remember a QB who is moving the ball, and if not for a lousy call would have just directed a TD drive, yanked, usually a QB is lifted because he can't move the ball, [unless your last name is Brunell] but the switch is made AFTER 1 QUARTER OF THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, then to watch Brunell in almost 3 quarters of play muster up 3 field goals, and 70 yards of passing, and say this is my starter.

Somewhere Bobby Beathard is shaking his head.

You've summed it all up and I agree with you. Hope you've got your flak jacket on though, because the slings and arrows will be coming your way.

BTW - At least 2 sports writers on the Post are just as shocked and befuddled by this as many of us are - read Wilbon and Mike Wise's columns in today's Post. Wise really nails it in his column.

[MTK]

Get out... sports writers are jumping on board against this decision? Who woulda thunk it.

Let me make a bold prediction, I know this might be crazy talk but I feel a scathing Lenny P. article in the works. Yeah I know, crazy, but call it a feeling.

Funny how 99% of the time we blast the writers, but now they're right.

[LongTimeSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by offiss

Welcome JG, I go way back to the early George Allen day's, and remember the Schroeder situation well, [by the way he was traded to the raiders not san diego] Schroeder was becoming stagnet on offense he pretty much ran his coarse with us and wasen't progressing to the next level as a QB, the question wasen't so much about replacing Jay, as much as it was can Williams get the job done? Gibbs went back and forth a couple of times early when Jay was hurt, and Williams to his credit was doing a better job, there wasen't a big difference performance wise between the 2 but Williams was getting the better of it, but the bottom line is we really can't find a situation where Gibbs didn't give his starter a real chance to prove himself until Ramsey, a lot of people want to judge the pre-season and anoint Brunell, but remember during 2 of our SB years we won a combined 1 game in the pre-season, how good do you think our QB's looked? How good did Theisman look when we started off the 82 season 0-6, After going 0-5 in the pre-season? Bottom line until this scenerio plays itself out we will all continue to agree to disagree, I just feel regardless that Ramsey really has been given a raw deal.

I totally agree with you Offiss. I think Ramsey has been slighted by Gibbs since day 1 and while I am a fan of Coach Gibbs, I can't go along with supporting Brunnell. At this point, it would appear that it's more a matter of finances than talent when it comes to putting Brunnell at QB. Gibbs busted his a$$ to get Brunnell here and refuses to let him sit the bench for millions of dollars, despite his lack of ability to perform on the field. I know Gibbs preaches no turnovers and many of us say that winners don't turn the ball over, but the last time I checked the rulebook, the team with the most points wins the game. I don't see our offense having much of chance to ring up points with Brunnell at the helm, but I guess we'll find out Monday night.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Get out... sports writers are jumping on board against this decision? Who woulda thunk it.

Let me make a bold prediction, I know this might be crazy talk but I feel a scathing Lenny P. article in the works. Yeah I know, crazy, but call it a feeling.

Funny how 99% of the time we blast the writers, but now they're right.

well, its funny how people here blast the writers even when they are right too, just because they don't think we'll be in playoffs every year.

[Daseal]

Illdefined, you do realize that was last season, it's a different season/situation now?

Redskins rat -- couldn't this same argument be used that Gibbs only success came in the 80's? Isn't the NFL a different situation now? Yet it's still hounded into our head that we should base all of his actions now like he's been in the NFL ever since.

[ladyfan06]

No One On This Forum Is On Redskins Payroll With Job Title: Coach.
Let Coach Gibbs, Coach This Team. Let's Give Him All The Support We Can...as You Can See The Fans' Support Helps A Lot As In Game 1-costing The Bears 3 Consecutive False Starts Ending At A 3rd And 38 On A Almost Sure-fire Scoring Drive That May Have Costed Us The Game.

Be Supportive Of The Coach, He Has Lead To Greatness Before And I Am Sure As Hell Hoping He Can Lead Us There Again...it Is Only Season 2, Week 2 (coming).

[jgalecpa]

While It is absolutely true that Brunell had an overall lower QB rating last year than PR (74.8 vs 63.0), the turnover stat is way off balance.

PR threw only 14.77% more passes than MB (272 vs 237), but had 83.33% more INT's.

See: http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/WAS/2004/regular

A mediocre QB sure aint going to win you many games, but he can lose them very quickly.

J

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Do you really think Gibbs decison was based on just the 20 minutes of game 1? Even during 2004 summer (offseason) Gibbs watched all of the film of Ramsey and he still brought in Brunell. He saw the same things I see in Ramsey, he really was not very then and is still not good right now. Why is that so hard to accept?
Go ahead and keep on blaming Gibbs and Brunell. The truth is it is ultimatley Ramsey fault for not improving his game.

why won't ANYBODY hold Brunell accountable for being the worst QB in the league last year? and why did everyone FORGET that Ramsey WON games with the exact same *bad* offense? these are regular season games, is it ok to base your decisions on regular season games? you guys would rather choose based on second halves of preseason games with and against 2nd stringers versus what happened the ENTIRE 2004 SEASON?

Brunell himself says there was NO injury, says his arm ISN'T any stronger than last year (go ahead ask me for the quotes), and i'm fairly certain he didn't get any younger. he sure looked good in practice against friends or the second half in those preseason games though didn't he?

would YOU base your decisions on that and just ignore last season (or Brunell's own comments) or do you all just have blind faith in Joe Gibbs? if so, THATS FINE, BUT SAY SO. don't ever say Brunell "outplayed" Ramsey in any game that counted, because he *never has*.

and before anybody in the blind faith category tries to say last season doesn't matter (but the 80s somehow does), i think there's an established consensus that Gibbs was wrong about Brunell before. if you need proof of his fallibility just look to last season.


Coach Gibbs is and will be the best coach the Skins have ever had , but you can't expect it to be instant or that what he knew from the past applies perfectly to today. it will take time.

[Redskins_P]

When is everyone gonna stop crying? Whats done is done. Brunell is our QB point blank. Get over it. Please!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Get out... sports writers are jumping on board against this decision? Who woulda thunk it.

Let me make a bold prediction, I know this might be crazy talk but I feel a scathing Lenny P. article in the works. Yeah I know, crazy, but call it a feeling.

Funny how 99% of the time we blast the writers, but now they're right.

well, for what it's worth, she wasn't quoting FOX News or ESPN, she was quoting The Washington Post.

[ladyfan06]

My Sentiments Exactly...fellow fan and friend!!

[firstdown]

I do not buy into the theory that Gibbs is trying to save himself from picking up Brunell. First Gibbs did not negotiate his contract the front office and Snyder did. I do not think Gibbs would bring down a team just because of the money spent on Brunell. 42 mill is a drop in the basket for Snyder and the money he has wasted on picks. Gibbs might be a little embarrassed over Brunell and what he was paid but I do not think he would jeopardies the Skins. What you are saying is that he would put in a loosing QB to make his picking Brunell look better. That would just be adding insult to injury and make you look even worse.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

When is everyone gonna stop crying? Whats done is done. Brunell is our QB point blank. Get over it. Please!

Well said.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

When is everyone gonna stop crying? Whats done is done. Brunell is our QB point blank. Get over it. Please!

I thought Ramsey was a grown man. But instead it's like he's like a little 6-year old on a Pop Warner team and his mommy (playing the part of Mama Ramsey today will be countless Warpathers) has being going to coach saying "Why isn't my little Patrick playing?"