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Scott · 02-23-2004, 11:33 PM

Not even sure if we are ready to start posting but holy cow, portis for bailey, I will go to champs house and help him pack!!

MTK · 02-24-2004, 12:08 AM

I couldn't believe that when I saw the news this morning. Champ for Portis and possibly our 2nd rounder, I say go for it even with a 2nd rounder. Portis is just 22 and already has back to back 1500+ yard seasons, this is a move we have to make IMO.

Scott · 02-24-2004, 12:13 AM

It is the combination of many things,but mainly champ doesnt want to be here, Portis doesnt want to be in Denver, he is very cheap for the next two years, even if we throw him a bone and give him a bonus or something it is still saving tons on the salary cap...obviously if we give up our second pick this year then we need to address defense with our first round pick...my vote is for taylor out of Miami...

skinsfan_n_vegas · 02-24-2004, 12:14 AM

hey guys, what's the cap ramifications on us taking Portis and giving up champ. If I'm not mistaken, Portis still is under contract from when he signed as a rookie and that would obviously be be cap friendly however, will he want a new deal with the Skins. Oh yeah, is Scott's gonna help him pack, I'll drive his moving truck for him for NADA !!! So long Champ ...

Scott · 02-24-2004, 12:18 AM

not sure of the exact number but I do know that it is in the 300K range, basically nothing!! Champ would have been 6.8 MIL so a net savings of 6.5 MIL for a better player IMO

skinsfan_n_vegas · 02-24-2004, 12:21 AM

That's definetly a good thing from a cap perspective. Later Champ, hello Clinton Portis and the Skins running the ball up everybody's A_S !!! Don't get me wrong, Champ is one of, if not the best, cover corner in the NFL IMO and will be missed however, Trung and Ladell won't be able to get the job done in Gibbs' system on the offensive side so, I like the trade.

MTK · 02-24-2004, 12:23 AM

Portis is going to be looking for a new deal though I'm pretty sure.

Scott · 02-24-2004, 12:25 AM

I am sure he will be looking for a new deal but we dont have to give him one, he has two years left, make him prove himself as a redskin then restructure next year.

joecrisp · 02-24-2004, 12:26 AM

The drama just never stops this offseason does it?

I love the idea of getting Portis, a back of his caliber could do some extraordinary things in a Gibbs offense.

What I don't like is the idea of giving up a 2nd round pick-- in addition to Bailey-- to get Portis.

When you consider the fact that Portis has compiled his stats in Shanahan's Denver offense-- which produced so many 1,000 yard seasons with other runningbacks, while Bailey has been a defensive stalwart under so many different defensive coordinators and schemes, hasn't missed a single game, and has 4 Pro Bowls to his name; it's hard to fathom giving up anything additional-- especially a 2nd round pick-- in a trade.

I just feel like the Redskins are getting the short end of the stick in their haste to deal Bailey by March 3rd. The irony of all of this is that with Gibbs' return, we expected to see a more measured, conservative approach to offseason acquisitions. The reality is that Gibbs' return seems to have brought about a more frenetic pace and tone to what was already known as one of the most hyperactive front offices in the league.

skinsfan_n_vegas · 02-24-2004, 12:28 AM

Anyone think he's the type to boycott training camp if he doesn't get the new deal he may want and is traded to the Skins? Kind of a dumb question but, if I were to guess, he would work out a new deal before a trade just as the Broncos would need to work out a new deal for Champ. Any thoughts ...

joecrisp · 02-24-2004, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan_n_vegas

Anyone think he's the type to boycott training camp if he doesn't get the new deal he may want and is traded to the Skins? Kind of a dumb question but, if I were to guess, he would work out a new deal before a trade just as the Broncos would need to work out a new deal for Champ. Any thoughts ...

From the sound of it, Portis and Bailey would both have new deals in place before the trade is consummated.

No new deals, no trade.

SmootSmack · 02-24-2004, 12:37 AM

My only concern with getting Portis is look at Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Quentin Griffin. Any time one of those is the primary back in Denver they do well. So is it the runner or is the system? That being said, if Portis is just 80% as good here in DC as in Denver that's still better than anything we have. And it's better than most of the league. So yeah I'd make the deal. What's DC without a Clinton?

Anyone hear the rumor that has us sending Champ to the Jets for their 1st and 2nd, then sending our 1st and their second to Denver for Portis? And what do you all think of a Champ for Shaun Alexander swap?

It's good to be back on the warpath!

MTK · 02-24-2004, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecrisp

From the sound of it, Portis and Bailey would both have new deals in place before the trade is consummated.

No new deals, no trade.

Yeah neither guy will be going anywhere without a new deal.

skinsfan_n_vegas · 02-24-2004, 12:43 AM

I think Portis is gonna be lookin' for BIG $$$. How's that gonna work and will we be able to afford him? I guess the only way we'll know is if the deal goes down.

joecrisp · 02-24-2004, 12:43 AM

You know, it's funny Smooty, but I read two articles over the weekend, one from Adam Schefter of the Denver Post, and the other from one of the Seattle paper, that proposed the Portis and Alexander deals, respectively. Initially, it appeared that these writers were merely suggesting the viability of these potential trades-- but lo and behold, on Monday, Portis-for-Bailey is all the rage!Apparently, the Portis-Bailey rumor swept throught Indy on Friday or Saturday, and by Monday, Gibbs was verifying the possibility of it to the media. I haven't heard any additional word on the possibility of trading for Alexander. It would be interesting to know which came first-- the rumor, or the reality?

02-23-2004, 11:33 PM	#1
Scott Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 177	Portis?!?! Not even sure if we are ready to start posting but holy cow, portis for bailey, I will go to champs house and help him pack!!

02-24-2004, 12:13 AM	#3
Scott Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 177	oh yeah It is the combination of many things,but mainly champ doesnt want to be here, Portis doesnt want to be in Denver, he is very cheap for the next two years, even if we throw him a bone and give him a bonus or something it is still saving tons on the salary cap...obviously if we give up our second pick this year then we need to address defense with our first round pick...my vote is for taylor out of Miami...

02-24-2004, 12:08 AM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I couldn't believe that when I saw the news this morning. Champ for Portis and possibly our 2nd rounder, I say go for it even with a 2nd rounder. Portis is just 22 and already has back to back 1500+ yard seasons, this is a move we have to make IMO.

02-24-2004, 12:14 AM	#4
skinsfan_n_vegas Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6	hey guys, what's the cap ramifications on us taking Portis and giving up champ. If I'm not mistaken, Portis still is under contract from when he signed as a rookie and that would obviously be be cap friendly however, will he want a new deal with the Skins. Oh yeah, is Scott's gonna help him pack, I'll drive his moving truck for him for NADA !!! So long Champ ...

02-24-2004, 12:18 AM	#5
Scott Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 177	not sure of the exact number but I do know that it is in the 300K range, basically nothing!! Champ would have been 6.8 MIL so a net savings of 6.5 MIL for a better player IMO

02-24-2004, 12:21 AM	#6
skinsfan_n_vegas Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6	That's definetly a good thing from a cap perspective. Later Champ, hello Clinton Portis and the Skins running the ball up everybody's A_S !!! Don't get me wrong, Champ is one of, if not the best, cover corner in the NFL IMO and will be missed however, Trung and Ladell won't be able to get the job done in Gibbs' system on the offensive side so, I like the trade.

02-24-2004, 12:23 AM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Portis is going to be looking for a new deal though I'm pretty sure.

02-24-2004, 12:25 AM	#8
Scott Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 177	I am sure he will be looking for a new deal but we dont have to give him one, he has two years left, make him prove himself as a redskin then restructure next year.

02-24-2004, 12:26 AM	#9
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	The drama just never stops this offseason does it? I love the idea of getting Portis, a back of his caliber could do some extraordinary things in a Gibbs offense. What I don't like is the idea of giving up a 2nd round pick-- in addition to Bailey-- to get Portis. When you consider the fact that Portis has compiled his stats in Shanahan's Denver offense-- which produced so many 1,000 yard seasons with other runningbacks, while Bailey has been a defensive stalwart under so many different defensive coordinators and schemes, hasn't missed a single game, and has 4 Pro Bowls to his name; it's hard to fathom giving up anything additional-- especially a 2nd round pick-- in a trade. I just feel like the Redskins are getting the short end of the stick in their haste to deal Bailey by March 3rd. The irony of all of this is that with Gibbs' return, we expected to see a more measured, conservative approach to offseason acquisitions. The reality is that Gibbs' return seems to have brought about a more frenetic pace and tone to what was already known as one of the most hyperactive front offices in the league.

02-24-2004, 12:28 AM	#10
skinsfan_n_vegas Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6	Anyone think he's the type to boycott training camp if he doesn't get the new deal he may want and is traded to the Skins? Kind of a dumb question but, if I were to guess, he would work out a new deal before a trade just as the Broncos would need to work out a new deal for Champ. Any thoughts ...

02-24-2004, 12:37 AM	#12
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	My only concern with getting Portis is look at Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Quentin Griffin. Any time one of those is the primary back in Denver they do well. So is it the runner or is the system? That being said, if Portis is just 80% as good here in DC as in Denver that's still better than anything we have. And it's better than most of the league. So yeah I'd make the deal. What's DC without a Clinton? Anyone hear the rumor that has us sending Champ to the Jets for their 1st and 2nd, then sending our 1st and their second to Denver for Portis? And what do you all think of a Champ for Shaun Alexander swap? It's good to be back on the warpath!

02-24-2004, 12:43 AM	#14
skinsfan_n_vegas Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6	I think Portis is gonna be lookin' for BIG $$$. How's that gonna work and will we be able to afford him? I guess the only way we'll know is if the deal goes down.

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