Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[RedskinRat]

When did wearing all black become
'War fatigues'?

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[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think at this point, it's you all that are trolling, not the other way around.

That's funny

[saden1]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

When did wearing all black become
'War fatigues'?

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Wow...you try so hard and still manage to ooze incompetence. Grownup folks are trying to have a meaningful discussion now so please do us a favor and seek attention elsewhere.

[RedskinRat]

Again, when did wearing all black fatigues constitute 'War fatigues'?

You can't answer that question so you try to divert attention.

Keep it up, your hysterical bed-wetting debate style amuses me.

Continue.

[skinsguy]

The problem with this topic when it comes to violent acts such as what happened last week in Connecticut is the fact that you get two camps of knee-jerk arguments: More guns VS no guns. Both arguments do nothing for the root of the problem. The root of the problem is not the guns themselves. It's the people who operate them. Strict gun laws keep the honest men honest. That's about it. Those who are deranged enough to use these guns to go out and commit violent acts will do so whether they obtain the guns legally or illegally. That's just the facts.

The root of the problem is the mental health programs in the states from where these people live in. Are these mental health programs up to par, and if so, how can they be made more affordable or more available to those who need them? In every case, we can pretty much figure that there was something badly wrong, with the person who committed these acts. What if this person had been treated for his issues? I know, who's to say he wasn't, but I think this is where people need to focus on first before entertaining changing our First Amendment Rights.

[RedskinRat]

I agree, skinsguy. Using the analogy of drunk drivers it's similar, I think. We shouldn't be banning booze, but addressing the abuse of alcohol by some drivers.

It's unfair to ban something because it's abused by a small, identifiable section of the population.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The pro gun crowd doesn't have answers. Some even seem to ignore the alarming stats that point to a serious problem. I cannot fathom how they don't find concern with the sheer amount of guns owned in the country. If guns aren't he problem...or a part of it...then what is?

Who here denies that we have a gun violence issue in the country?

How about the everyday video game violence? These kids sit in front of a TV playing these games everyday and somehow they have no affect on kids?

Who here denies we have a millions of kids eveyday watching and playing very violent video games?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Roughing up or intimidating kids isn't the answer IMO.

I'm only 40 thanks. I never had a teacher lay a hand on me.

Maybe we need to intimidate the kids. We sure didn't have students punching or hitting teachers like you here about today. Teachers had the respect of the students and from what I hear from many high school teachers its not that way in todays world.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Maybe we need to intimidate the kids. We sure didn't have students punching or hitting teachers like you here about today. Teachers had the respect of the students and from what I hear from many high school teachers its not that way in todays world.

Yea we did.
In 1975 two of my classmates stuffed our math teacher out a 1st story classroom window.
There were also two different fist fights with our school dean.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How about the everyday video game violence? These kids sit in front of a TV playing these games everyday and somehow they have no affect on kids?

Who here denies we have a millions of kids eveyday watching and playing very violent video games?

Right...my point that I am making rather inelegantly is that the problem is clearly very complicated and multi-factored...but guns are absolutely part of the problem. Or more accurately the fact that we own so many guns in this country is an indicator of a deeper problem that is caused by many different things. But the pro-gun crowd seems to want to ignore the "fact" that we own TOO MANY guns in this country. Perhaps gun control isn't the answer to effectively reducing them but we do need to reduce them.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How about the everyday video game violence? These kids sit in front of a TV playing these games everyday and somehow they have no affect on kids?

Who here denies we have a millions of kids eveyday watching and playing very violent video games?

That goes back to a parenting issue.

And I'm not a big believer that violent video games create violent people. Gotta look a little deeper than that.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Right...my point that I am making rather inelegantly is that the problem is clearly very complicated and multi-factored...but guns are absolutely part of the problem. Or more accurately the fact that we own so many guns in this country is an indicator of a deeper problem that is caused by many different things. But the pro-gun crowd seems to want to ignore the "fact" that we own TOO MANY guns in this country. Perhaps gun control isn't the answer to effectively reducing them but we do need to reduce them.

Reduce them?
How?
Which kind?
How many?

[RedskinRat]

If someone owns 1,000 firearms and never abuses them why should they be limited?

Wrong-headed thinking.

[Alvin Walton]

Not to mention that Conneticut already had an assault weapons ban and also some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation.
Didnt seem to matter did it?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Right...my point that I am making rather inelegantly is that the problem is clearly very complicated and multi-factored...but guns are absolutely part of the problem. Or more accurately the fact that we own so many guns in this country is an indicator of a deeper problem that is caused by many different things. But the pro-gun crowd seems to want to ignore the "fact" that we own TOO MANY guns in this country. Perhaps gun control isn't the answer to effectively reducing them but we do need to reduce them.

There is absolutely no correlation between the amount of guns a person owns to crime rate. There is also no evidence of any deep problem or any problem at all, with the ownership of multiple guns. It is no more of an indicator of deep seeded issues than someone owning multiple cars or multiple guitars.

There is no definition of "too many" guns in this country. There is no such thing. So, there is no such evidence to support that reducing the amount of guns in this country would reduce the amount of violent crimes in this country.

Reducing the amount of guns does nothing to treat the mentally ill who commit these crimes. If people focused their attention, arguments, and efforts behind helping to improve behavioral healthcare, then you would start seeing tangible differences in crime rate. There is where you start to see more of a correlation: behavioral health issues = crime.