Mike Singletary Fired

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

To be fair, Gibbs II in just his second season went 10-6 and won a PLAYOFF game. In ten really long years 2000-2010 only Gibbs has taken us to the playoffs, and he did it twice in 4 years.
To be fair to Shanahan, we have to give Shanahan 3 to 4 years to really give him a fair chance to turn us around.
I am not impatient with Shanahan, give him time.
My only disappointment up to know with Shanahan is switching to 3-4 defense which set us even further back and created even more holes to fill on our roster. As if we did not already have a ton of holes to fill.
If you are going to do that, then commit to a total re-build and do not send valuable draft picks for an old veteran QB. Those two decision directly contradict themselves and was really poor planning.

How are we to know we wouldn't have been in the exact same position if they were still using the 4-3?

Couldn't it be that 11 straight years of not picking ANY defensive linemen in the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft finally caught up to us? That years and years of relying on free agent castoffs and late-round longshots up front brought us to where we are right now defensively?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You are over simplifying the so called problem. Even when we had draft picks, we picked poorly. What good are draft picks if you have Vinny Cerrato and Snyder weighing on the decision. For example, the 2008 where we had 10 draft picks, not a single player is note worthy. Only Kareem Moore and Fred Davis are just now starting to make some noise. The rest are all gone or on IR.
The problem was not that we did not have enough draft picks. It was poor player evaluation/management. Proof is even the FA we signed sucked. Truth is Gibbs turned over a playoff to team Vinny and Zorn and they ran the teami nto the ground yet again.

I agree that poor player evaluation has been an issue for the Skins for awhile which is why having as many picks as possible was/is even more important. Gibbs did leave those coaches a playoff team but lets face it he didnt exactly leave them the Steelers of Patriots. I think if anything Gibbs saw the writing on the wall and knew he wrung all he could out of those guys and got out because he knew what was coming.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by irish

The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You are over simplifying the so called problem. Even when we had draft picks, we picked poorly. What good are draft picks if you have Vinny Cerrato and Snyder weighing on the decision. For example, the 2008 where we had 10 draft picks, not a single player is note worthy. Only Kareem Moore and Fred Davis are just now starting to make some noise. The rest are all gone or on IR.
The problem was not that we did not have enough draft picks. It was poor player evaluation/management. Proof is even the FA we signed sucked. Truth is Gibbs turned over a playoff to team Vinny and Zorn and they ran the teami nto the ground yet again.

You're both right -- Gibbs set us back by trading away draft picks, but it wouldn't have mattered even if we had them because Gibbs/Snyder/Cerrato weren't good talent evaluators anyhow.

If we could go back and choose, I'd still take my chances with more draft picks, even if the people who were making those decisions sucked at it. Even broken clocks are right twice a day -- the more picks you have, sooner or later one or two is going to hit.

We were screwed either way.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by irish

At least the Skins had the picks, made them, and they had the chance to pan out. With Gibbs 2.0 draft pick give-away, the Skins never even had those picks to see if they'd work. That's the thing with the draft, its an inexact thing so you need lots of picks to increase your chances of having more success and the misses dont hurt as much. When you only have a couple of picks you dont have any wiggle room, so a miss on a pick really creates big problems.

So it's fine when you have a lot of picks even though none of them pan out because you had a lot of chances ? I get it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by DIEHARD1980

well to be completely technical, i am wrong. So my question to you is, Do you feel Shanahan gives the redskins the best chance to win? if you do, send me some of that stuff you are smoking.

Compared to what or whom exactly? Because honestly, that's a stupid question to ask. Considering those who were interested and qualified to be head coach this season, and compared to what we had last season, yes Shanahan clearly gives the Redskins the best chance to win. He has the experience and the Super Bowl rings to prove it. He was only out of the game for one season and don't give me the "game has passed him by" line because the game is not going to pass a coach by who was only out of coaching for one season. That, is the most absurd thought anybody could ever form in his/her head.

And furthermore, I would suggest that anybody who wants to change coaches every season is taking some serious drugs, because that very thing is what has caused this team to be the laughing stock of the NFL for over a decade now. If this is what you want, you don't know football.

[Shadowbyte]

I don't see why anyone hasn't discussed the real reason why Singlegary isn't the coach of the 49ers anymore. The reason is simple, Shuan Hill. Before the 2008 season, Singletary made Hill the starter, that's because he was 7-3 the prior season. Then Hill went 3 and 0 in 2009, and lost his 4th game to the last second miracle by Brett Farve in Minnessota.

The following week against Houston, they fell 21-0 after one half, and what does the inept Singleatary do? Take out the only QB who's had a winning record in SF since Jeff Garcia retired, and put in the loser Alex Smith. Suffice to say, the 49ers have had a losing record ever since. The dumbest move he could of done was jetison Hill over to Detroit, so Alex could continue to lose the team ball games un-impeded.

And the sad thing is, no one in SF realized that, on talk radio all day, I would hear people chastise Singletary for "not giving Alex Smith a fair chance". It was amzing how many excuses the SF media and fans would make for him, Singletary listened, and it cost him his job. I'll never forget when he said "Shaun has taken us as far as he can take us". Oh really, a OB with a 10-4 record isn't good enough to retain the starting position? Good riddance.

[Dread-Skin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

to get rid of Shanny now would be effing retarded. Thats the problem with this piss poor franchise Danny Boy has run into the ground, too much change and not enough patience. Who the f*ck thought this team was a playoff team coming into this year? your effing retarded too

If I could choose 1 person to go into space and live for a decade it would be Daniel Snyder.... I only wish we could have done that 10 years ago b/c of his meddling with the team but isn't it great that as soon as he turns over power its to Coach who doesnt have any better a clue it seems.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

So it's fine when you have a lot of picks even though none of them pan out because you had a lot of chances ? I get it.

I'm not saying it fine to have a lot of picks and none work out. I'm saying that having a lot a pick increases your chances of success.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

I don't see why anyone hasn't discussed the real reason why Singlegary isn't the coach of the 49ers anymore. The reason is simple, Shuan Hill. Before the 2008 season, Singletary made Hill the starter, that's because he was 7-3 the prior season. Then Hill went 3 and 0 in 2009, and lost his 4th game to the last second miracle by Brett Farve in Minnessota.

The following week against Houston, they fell 21-0 after one half, and what does the inept Singleatary do? Take out the only QB who's had a winning record in SF since Jeff Garcia retired, and put in the loser Alex Smith. Suffice to say, the 49ers have had a losing record ever since. The dumbest move he could of done was jetison Hill over to Detroit, so Alex could continue to lose the team ball games un-impeded.

And the sad thing is, no one in SF realized that, on talk radio all day, I would hear people chastise Singletary for "not giving Alex Smith a fair chance". It was amzing how many excuses the SF media and fans would make for him, Singletary listened, and it cost him his job. I'll never forget when he said "Shaun has taken us as far as he can take us". Oh really, a OB with a 10-4 record isn't good enough to retain the starting position? Good riddance.

I heard a lot of it had to do with getting into the faces of offensive players on the sidelines during games and not keeping his cool. It's fine to be fiery and act like a maniac when you're a middle linebacker. But not as a head coach.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by irish

I'm not saying it fine to have a lot of picks and none work out. I'm saying that having a lot a pick increases your chances of success.

Basically we can only dissect what has gone on since 1999 ? Here's a link to one of my favorite sites Pro Football Reference. Check out the draft history of the Redskins. And even though you may not want to accept it, there was football, bad football at that, here since 1992.

Washington Redskins All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I heard a lot of it had to do with getting into the faces of offensive players on the sidelines during games and not keeping his cool. It's fine to be fiery and act like a maniac when you're a middle linebacker. But not as a head coach.

Really? Have you ever seen the sideline blow-ups between Bill Parcells and Phil Simms? I don't see how those are any different. If he was winning, they wouldn't care if he yelled or not. And the reason they're not winning is because they traded the only QB who's been consistently winning for them.

[DIEHARD1980]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Compared to what or whom exactly? Because honestly, that's a stupid question to ask. Considering those who were interested and qualified to be head coach this season, and compared to what we had last season, yes Shanahan clearly gives the Redskins the best chance to win. He has the experience and the Super Bowl rings to prove it. He was only out of the game for one season and don't give me the "game has passed him by" line because the game is not going to pass a coach by who was only out of coaching for one season. That, is the most absurd thought anybody could ever form in his/her head.

And furthermore, I would suggest that anybody who wants to change coaches every season is taking some serious drugs, because that very thing is what has caused this team to be the laughing stock of the NFL for over a decade now. If this is what you want, you don't know football.

I am not sure if you have noticed that in the past 10 years, the nfl has become more a business regarding if the product is not selling you must take it off the shelf. When players dont produce they are let go, and the same goes for coaching staffs. I totally feel that Snyder has and is doing everything possible to build a championship organization. We as fans can argue on forums like this all day, but at the end of the day. You will take any action that the owner decides is best for his organization.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by DIEHARD1980

I am not sure if you have noticed that in the past 10 years, the nfl has become more a business regarding if the product is not selling you must take it off the shelf. When players dont produce they are let go, and the same goes for coaching staffs. I totally feel that Snyder has and is doing everything possible to build a championship organization. We as fans can argue on forums like this all day, but at the end of the day. You will take any action that the owner decides is best for his organization.

Can you name the Super Bowl winning coaches who weren't allowed to stew for at least a couple years? You can only be so impatient with nature before it bites you in the ass.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Mike Singletary was a GREAT player.

GREAT player does not necessarily translate into great coach. In fact, the number of GREAT players who turned out to be GREAT coaches also is pretty small.

Mike Singletary was hired to be a head coach long before he had had the coaching experiences to prepare him for that job.

Maybe the next team that hires him as a head coach - - in 3-4 years? - - will get themselves a really good head coach. Time will tell...

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Really? Have you ever seen the sideline blow-ups between Bill Parcells and Phil Simms? I don't see how those are any different. If he was winning, they wouldn't care if he yelled or not. And the reason they're not winning is because they traded the only QB who's been consistently winning for them.

Yes, really. Apparently it went further than the normal blowups you see between players and coaches. There's always some of that to a degree.

Now -- you could still be right, if Singletary decided to get rid of the wrong guy, then certainly that had to have been a factor in his dismissal.