Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I honestly don't want Norv either, but it's fun to reminisce to a time when we had an offense that could kick some serious ass with both potent running and passing attacks.

Bring back Terry Allen and Henry Ellard.

[SmootSmack]

Norv repeatedly passed the buck, but this isn't about Norv...

We all like that Shanahan/Allen have been much more secretive, less forthcoming than Zorn/Cerrato who were extremely candid. Zorn, at least. But right now I don't know if Shanahan is purposely saying all these different things publicly to confuse people or if he's been so focused on keeping people guessing that he's confusing even himself.

End of the day, as long as he is forthright and honest with McNabb and the rest of the players I don't really care if he tells me he didn't want McNabb playing at the end because his astrologer told him not to

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I guarantee you guys mike shanahan will make this team a contender really soon.. Shit we were 4-12 last season, we could double that in one year.

Let's see what Rex does before you mention the words really soon. For Shanny's system to work we will have to replace our entire line and the backups with guys that can perform his new blocking schemes. That is two seasons at the very least. You have to also flip a coin if Grossman can somehow materialize into an all pro QB(unlikely). If not, you have to draft a kid, and if we finish 7-9 to 9-7 forget getting the top QB(s). Bottom line is you aren't going to erase the damage Vinny has done over a decade in a couple seasons.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Bring back Terry Allen and Henry Ellard.

Our two best signings early in the Norv Turner era. Allen was a warrior and Ellard was the perfect route runner. Give me a team full of Terry Allens and Henry Ellards.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Our two best signings early in the Norv Turner era. Allen was a warrior and Ellard was the perfect route runner. Give me a team full of Terry Allens and Henry Ellards.

They were beasts in Madden '95.

[skinsnut]

This is how dishonesty starts...you tell a lie to cover for yourself...then you tell another to cover for that...then a 3rd...

Lets see.
Grossman knew the 2 minute drill better....then
McNabb isn't in condition....then
McNabb doesn't practice well enough.

The next thing I expect Shanny to say is...."I slept with McNabb's Mother!"

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

This is how dishonesty starts...you tell a lie to cover for yourself...then you tell another to cover for that...then a 3rd...

Lets see.
Grossman knew the 2 minute drill better....then
McNabb isn't in condition....then
McNabb doesn't practice well enough.

The next thing I expect Shanny to say is...."I slept with McNabb's Mother!"

Did she provide Chunky Soup for dinner?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

While we're talking McNabb. Watching that Armstrong 50 yard pass, the one that led to the Keiland Wiliams TD. Is it just me or does Armstrong have to stop and adjust for most of McNabb's deep throws? Not seeing many in stride

I thought on one that Armstrong throttled down to catch the ball, he still could have turned it on after the catch and split the two safeties. I think he went and cut it back to the outside and got around one safety while the other tackled him.

[skinsnut]

I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness.
We can finally see things more objectively....

Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too?

Let's not always drink the kool-aid when we get a new coach guys.
And Bruce Allen aint God either....he is a GM...an average one...yes better than pure crap...but an average one.

You can generally believe patterns of people to continue.
Shanny to be an ego-maniac, Hasslet to produce 20th ranked defenses, Allen to be average, McNabb to be hot and cold and have occassional irratic accuracy.
So Shanny won 2 SB's....remember they fired the guy too...and there just as much reason for that as there was for Philly trading us McNabb.

I don't know of another SB winning coach that was ever fired...these current actions certainly are consistant with his past M.O.

Don't get me wrong...I still think he is rock solid...he can just be a jerk sometimes and who wants a boss who is a jerk?

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Did she provide Chunky Soup for dinner?

That was in lieu of a cigarette

[skinsfan_nn]

Brian Billick and Jon Gruden come to mind quickly.

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness.
We can finally see things more objectively....

Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too?

Let's not always drink the kool-aid when we get a new coach guys.
And Bruce Allen aint God either....he is a GM...an average one...yes better than pure crap...but an average one.

You can generally believe patterns of people to continue.
Shanny to be an ego-maniac, Hasslet to produce 20th ranked defenses, Allen to be average, McNabb to be hot and cold and have occassional irratic accuracy.
So Shanny won 2 SB's....remember they fired the guy too...and there just as much reason for that as there was for Philly trading us McNabb.

I don't know of another SB winning coach that was ever fired...these current actions certainly are consistant with his past M.O.

Don't get me wrong...I still think he is rock solid...he can just be a jerk sometimes and who wants a boss who is a jerk?

[MTK]

Seifert, Gruden, Billick, all SB winning coaches that got fired. I'm sure there are many others.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Doesn't matter who we bring in man, we have no line, or a good WR corp!!!!! We could bring Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in here and either one of them would be ineffective. Shanny is being exposed for being an egomaniac or at the very least too akin to knee jerk decisions. I am really starting to believe we were yet again sold a bill of goods. Yet another "savior" HC pick that will turn us around. Thing is our linemen are not used to or built for his blocking schemes. He needs to figure out how to tinker with this or he is going to bolt like Spurrier. Shit, I would take Spurrier over Shanny anyday. He might have ruined Ramsey trying the Fun N Gun, but he didn't blame anyone or throw folks under the bus, when it didn't work out. I still root for Spurrier. The man has class, like Coach Gibbs.

Get out. You know nothing.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Also if all these things Shanny has said were his true thoughts, why did it take for him to pull Donovan with less than 3 minutes left against the Lions? Shoot name Rex the starter against the Lions, da Bears, Pack, etc, if DM was out of shape and not getting the offense.

The "excuse a minute" is coming from the media -- not Shanahan. Everyone has an opinion, or something to add. It's not Shanahan, so chill out.

Your problem is that you believe everything you read, and most of it isn't even coming from Redskins park. Shanahan doesn't think Grossman is the answer, and the 2 minute stuff is just a lame excuse to make the reporter shut up. Like SS has said several times, they were pissed about the pick, McNabb set up the wrong play at least once, and they had enough crap so they pulled him. It was a knee-jerk reaction, and I'm sure looking back Shanahan knows it was a mistake. Over and done. Move on.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Get out. You know nothing.

Know nothing!!!!!! The guy didn't seem arrogant to me. Yeah, he might have misjudged that the Fun N Gun would work in the NFL, but he never pulled an excuse a minute thing pulling a QB. I am talking about character more than anything. Besides, Spurrier seems to know how to build something, just not in the NFL unfortunately.