OK guys! 3 more games until the BYE Week.

[CRedskinsRule]

from a cowpukes board: thread titled: "We are only one loss behind in the NFC East"

I know it is frunstrating right now, but we only need to outplay our division rivals by one game the rest of the year to win the division. Considering we play all of them twice sans Washington, we have control of our own destiny. Chin up fans.

This season has got to give hope to more teams than any in the past few years. Heck even the 0-5 SF49ers owner thinks they are in contention for the Division title.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I wasn't here for the Ramsey era. I hope it wasn't as bad as this.

I was. It was WORSE. Serious.

Patty had more defenders, always crying and claiming that coaches ruined him, flaunting his grades at Tulane and claiming he was intellectually superior to all QBs.

He threw 3 INTs? WRs were at fault. He takes a sack in the end zone? Spurrier's fault. Fumble? Someone else's fault.

I wish I were making that up, all truth.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Buster

I was. It was WORSE. Serious.

Patty had more defenders, a;ways crying and claiming that coaches ruined him, flaunting his grades at Tulane and claiming he was intellectually superior to all QBs.

I wish I were making that up, all truth.

I'm sorry for that.

[12thMan]

The Ramsey era was by far the worst around here. As bad as the JC era is/was, when Ramsey was pulled and they put in Brunnel people went ape shit around here. It was so unfair, and we're not giving him a chance, and he's going to go somewhere else and suceed and the franchise would regret it. I've seriously lost track of how many teams he's played for.

Sound familiar?

[Monkeydad]

Quality of the threads back then:

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-part-2-a.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...19-ramsey.html

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

smootsmack:

Hall of Fame destiny for 20 starters is hyperbole. Mea culpa


But we have had folks here use the word "great" with Sultan McCullogh. I don't think so.

We have folks who say our wide receivers are in the top 3 or 5 in the league - - except they don't seem to score. And that is indeed the objective of playing offense in the NFL.

We have a "beast" at safety who is an "intimidator". Those aren't my words; those are the accolades of others. I have yet to see any opposing offensive player cower in fear at the line of scrimmage. And I've seen our intimidating beast chase as many opponents into the end zone as I've seen him do much of anything else.

Patrick Ramsey's QB stats compare favorably with Brett Farve and Peyton Manning - with the clear implication that he is going to be that good. I hope so. But I doubt it.

Last year's defensive line was just fine, remember? Some folks here thought that Darryl Russell could be an All-Pro. Not happening any time soon.

Remember how the speed of Trung Canidate was going to befuddle opposing defensive coordinators?

How about Rock Cartwright as the bruising power runner that can always get you the short yardage you need.

The fact is that people here fall in love with players because they are wearing Redskin uniforms. That's fine. But the reality is that a lot of these guys are really pretty mediocre and they're not great and they're not warriors and they're not beasts and they're not intimidating. In fact, on their off days they are striving to perform at a barely acceptable level.

Yes, I used hyperbole. But it is not significantly worse than the tons of praise heaped on parts of this team that really need to be upgraded a whole lot.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...oser-look.html

Originally Posted by Joe Knows...

This is what I wrote in the Gibbs Decision post and it applies here just as well...

Do you see my user name? That stands for Joe Knows Best. He is the coach of this team and he is a Hall Of Fame Coach at that. A H.O.F. Coach that has won us 3 Super Bowls. The man knows better than any one else who he needs to run his offense.

Look, I am a HUGE Ramsey fan. I actually got to hang out with him in the Dickinson College courtyard his first day of training camp his rookie year (the day Jon Janson tied him to the goal post and hazed him with ice.) He is a very nice guy, and an excellent person of character. But the fact of the matter is, ever since Steve Spurrier let him get killed and anialated and hung him out to dry that year, he has not been the same Quarterback. He has been figity and indecisive and worst of all, he has made very poor decisions with the football. And when you shoot your self in the foot you can't win football games.

I had that happen to me when I played QB in High School. I got creemated, and I know what it does to you. It ruins you. Your never the same afterward. Your instincts change. And you become figity and indecisive, and you get a false sense of urgency even when there is no pressure. Wich results in bad decisions with the football.

That is what happened with Patrick. Lately he has bee wreckless with the football and allowed too many unescessary turn over opurtunities. He doesn't need to force things with a defense like ours.

As long as we have the defense we have, we don't need to make too many big plays. All we had to do was control the football. Just like the Ravens did when they rode their defense all the way to the super bowl.

Of coarse, with John Hall out now, that will be a lot more difficult unless we can find a competent and confident place kicker.

But with Mark Brunell this year, he seems a lot more healthy and more like his old self from his pro-bowl days in Jacksonville. With Brunell, you know he'll protect the football and make smarter decisions. He's a veteran and will do just what needs to be done to give our defense the best chance to keep us in the ball game. Plus, his mobility makes defenses not just que in and blitz all the time like they did against Patrick. Brunell can beat the blitz alot better than Patrick. He also gets the ball out quicker than Patrick.

I think Brunell has looked excellent this year and gives us the best chance to win, so as much as I love Patrick Ramsey, I am jumping on the Brunell band wagon. We are in the bussiness of winning football games and winning is all that matters. And Mark Brunell gives us the best chance of winning.

My final answer to the question is yes.

And as a side note, if Ramsey must be traded for him to be happy then I hope he gets what he wants so he can be happy in life. He deserves at least that much. I just don't see how he'll start for any other NFL teams except maybe for Cleveland or possibly even the Jets with Pennington seemingly finished after that shoulder surgery causing him to loose all his mechanics and arm strength.



See, the key thing here is that Ramsey has been ruined by Steve Spurrier. If any one owes Ramsey something, it is STEVE SPURRIER. Spurriers in-ability to protect him has pretty much cost Ramsey his career.

It's just like Sonny Juergunson said on channell 4 when alll that happened that year. "You are never the same. You're not quite ever as comfortable in the pocket again." And after playing the position and having the same thing happen to me, I agree. You get a false sense of urgency from being beaten to a pulp every play, that even when you have all day to throw, there's little voices in your head that tell you to get rid off the football even if it means throwing it into coverage or at the wrong player. It also causes you to be jittery and figity because your always expecting that hit to come very soon.

And that's basically exactly what Ramsey has been doing. You can see it in his foot work. He never quite sets right. I think that is what is contributing to all those high over throws from the bears game (and other preseason games.) Not to mention the ones that were caught forced the recievers like Moss to have to jump to get it. That's not a very good thing for your recievers. They'll start to get upset with you sooner or later if you keep throwing the ball too high because it leaves hangs them out to dry against blood thirsty defenders.


Another key point is, all the things I'm hearing about Brunell tonight is the same kind of stuff they said at the beginning with Doug Johnson and Mark Rypien. And look what they turned out to be. They are Superbowl MVPs.

Let's all just be optimistic and trust the man who see's these 2 play every day, knows more football than all of us combined, and has one us 3 Super Bowls. Let's all just give his decision another chance now that Brunell looks healthier and better this year, and knows the offence more than he did in his first year with gibbs.

I know we become attached to certain players, but sometimes it's for the better in the long run for the team. I was pissed off when Champ got traded, and when Iffy & McCants got cut (Still am about Darnarious), but I can see now that they made other moves to better themselves afterwards. So I'll continue to support the man and trust in his knowlege.

I hope my fellow fans will too this week. If Brunell does OK and we beat Dallas, then jump on the Brunell bandwagon and let's go all the way to Detroit!

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...y-threads.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ed-merged.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...if-ramsey.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ck-ramsey.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...t-the-man.html
(Ramsey thread that turned into a race riot) :cheeky-sm




Ramsey vs. McNabb games:

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...me-thread.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tribution.html
(Last few pages are classic)

[JoeRedskin]

Ramsey and Campbell were alike in a lot of ways. Both were quality guys with an A+ for attitude and effort. Each had (has) serious flaws in their game. The biggest difference in terms of fan reaction/vitriol was that Campbell didn't have a Brunell lurking around. Really, after Brunnell left, was there really anybody to challenge Campbell? (Please don't suggest Collins or Pineapple Jesus).

Each was a good guy with some good physical attributes. For any number of reasons, not the least of which being their own lack of ability, they simply didn't pan out as franchise QB's.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Ramsey and Campbell were alike in a lot of ways. Both were quality guys with an A+ for attitude and effort. Each had (has) serious flaws in their game. The biggest difference in terms of fan reaction/vitriol was that Campbell didn't have a Brunell lurking around. Really, after Brunnell left, was there really anybody to challenge Campbell? (Please don't suggest Collins or Pineapple Jesus).

Each was a good guy with some good physical attributes. For any number of reasons, not the least of which being their own lack of ability, they simply didn't pan out as franchise QB's.

Rich Bartel gave a challenge. But he was never given a chance and he was ruined by Spurrier.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Rich Bartel gave a challenge. But he was never given a chance and he was ruined by Spurrier.

No way, Tulane ruined Bartel.

If they had offered him a scholarship, he'd get more exposure than at Turtle State and could have been drafted higher...and less likely to be cut so quickly because of a higher pick being invested in him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Buster

No way, Tulane ruined Bartel.

If they had offered him a scholarship, he'd get more exposure than at Turtle State and could have been drafted higher...and less likely to be cut so quickly because of a higher pick being invested in him.

i like turtles

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

from a cowpukes board: thread titled: "We are only one loss behind in the NFC East"



This season has got to give hope to more teams than any in the past few years. Heck even the 0-5 SF49ers owner thinks they are in contention for the Division title.

LOL, I go to the Cowboys Zone, too, just to see what the enemy is saying about their team and to bathe in their tears. :cheeky-sm

And they're 1.5 games behind in the division.

[aceinthehouse]

Be nice if we beat the colts and the other 3 NFC East division teams lose this week.

If the Lions beat the giants,Falcons beat the eagles and Vikings beat the boys and we win...we would have a 1 game lead over the giants,1.5 lead over the eagles and a 3.5 lead over the boys.