On the Hole(s)...

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsWill

did everyone here forget about troy williamson at the #9 if edwards (who im not sold on) and williams are gone. Our defense was #3 last year without arguably one of the biggest playmakers in the leauge (LaVar) i say focus on what was bad last year and that is offense pure and simple.

Focusing on the offense is fine and dandy, but if you're going to draft a WR be prepared for him to develop slowly. Very few WRs come in and make an impact in year one, they usually take three years. Sorry if I sound like a broken record to a lot of you guys, but for every Randy Moss and Anquan Boldin you have a lot more guys who developed slowly like Torry Holt, Laveraneus Coles, Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Derrick Mason, Terrell Owens, etcetera. If you take a WR, you're making a long term decision, which is good in my opinion. But I just want you to realize drafting a WR is no quick fix.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by BossHog

You may have thought I said something else. I'm saying that we could trade our #9 for PHIs #31, OR #35, AND #63. That would give PHI 1350 vs our 876 (#31 and #63) or 856 (#35 and #63).

Never, ever forget, we do not deal with teams within our own division!

Except the deal for Sonny J. with the e-girls, years ago!

For example, we would not entertain any kind of proposal from J. Jones and the cowroids two number #1s for our pick! Those moves with other division rivals always come back to bite you!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Offiss - DJ is probably the best athlete in the draft, if he were available I'd think about taking him, but problem is we have other gaps to fill with people that could be great too. I doubt DJ drops past MN anyways, but I believe with our wealth of LBs that he would be a waste. We could trade M Washington, but not worth it for a rookie. I agree he won't be near as good inside as outside. If we really need an MLB - if we have another losing season we could land the kid from UVA.

As far as Jackson - this is the Northern Colorodo kid? (Colorodo is a funny word) If so what kind of DBs did he go against. Not saying he couldn't be great, but I doubt he's a replacement for Mike Williams. Same thing with that Alabama QB turned WR. He's a great athelete, but I think he may ultimately WANT to be a QB kinda like that Crouch guy. Though I wouldn't be against the Northern Colorodo guy, I'd rather have Edwards or Williams by a long shot!

Daseal, that is the big knock on him he hasen't gone up against elite competition, it's the only reason keeping him out of the first rd.which is what is going to make him a steal. You can make a similar argument about Williams, he played in a superior offense, an NFL structured offense, going up against inferior coached team's comparativly, which brought Williams a lot of success because of mismatches created on the college level that wont be there when he get's to the NFL, not to mention a top flight college QB. I still feel William's will be a monster in the red zone though, my support of Jackson is not a knock on Williams, I just feel he will be better than Williams and at a much cheaper price that would allow us to draft Rolle as well. I believe if Jackson played for USC his whole carreer the draft buzz right now would have him going before Williams. Jackson is very aggresive I watched his combine and you can see a player who really is trying to out due himself with everything he does he has the desire to work and get better, and he will.


http://uncbears.collegesports.com/sp...vincent00.html

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by offiss

Daseal, that is the big knock on him he hasen't gone up against elite competition, it's the only reason keeping him out of the first rd.which is what is going to make him a steal... my support of Jackson is not a knock on Williams, I just feel he will be better than Williams and at a much cheaper price ... I believe if Jackson played for USC his whole carreer the draft buzz right now would have him going before Williams...
http://uncbears.collegesports.com/sp...vincent00.html

So why wasn't he scouted by USC or a another bigtime program?

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I am in the camp that believes there are no immediate needs, no gaping holes in the roster as it is currently comprised.

At CB, I love Springs and I like Walt Harris a lot. Harris was a former 1st round pick and started in this league for like 6 or 7 years, so he's fine. Springs was healthy all last year, but we must remember that he has been injury prone during his career, and we would be wise to grab some talent at CB. Plus, these two starters are getting older, and we'll need to replace them someday. I think priority one for that 9th selection has to be Rolle or Pac Man. The rookie wouldn't start, he'd probably be nickel. But he'd be there if we need him this year, and he'll be ready when the old guys fade away.

I agree.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BossHog

So why wasn't he scouted by USC or a another bigtime program?

Why wasen't Jerry Rice? Walter Payton? And on and on and on?

[Longtimefan]

Well Boss Hog, at least every other team in the NFL does not know who we're going to pick either, contrary to previous years.

[Daseal]

Offiss - I certainly understand how you can like the kid, I haven't personally see him play but if stats talk he doesn't shutup. Unfortunately I don't see your scenario as workable. Personally I don't see Rolle as the top CB in the draft, however I think he'll be the first picked. In order to get a decent 2nd pick we'd have to trade down and get Carlos Rogers (who I like a lot by the way!) I'm not going to cry if we get a CB or a WR, but I'd like one of the top 3 of either of those! (Williams, Williamson, Edwards, Jones, Rolle, Rogers in no particular order.)

He's definitely a good project, but I remember the Ravens drafted a kid just like that. Huge, good hands, great speed, great verticle, played at a small school and hasn't even seen the field. Never know what you get.

[Daseal]

Because everyone had us nailed for taylor and cooley last year! ...

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Offiss - I certainly understand how you can like the kid, I haven't personally see him play but if stats talk he doesn't shutup. Unfortunately I don't see your scenario as workable. Personally I don't see Rolle as the top CB in the draft, however I think he'll be the first picked. In order to get a decent 2nd pick we'd have to trade down and get Carlos Rogers (who I like a lot by the way!) I'm not going to cry if we get a CB or a WR, but I'd like one of the top 3 of either of those! (Williams, Williamson, Edwards, Jones, Rolle, Rogers in no particular order.)

He's definitely a good project, but I remember the Ravens drafted a kid just like that. Huge, good hands, great speed, great verticle, played at a small school and hasn't even seen the field. Never know what you get.

As far as WR's go it work's both way's wasen't david Terrell just released, and we have had our own share of first rd WR flop's. We both can point to guy's who missed and made it in the top 10 and in the later rounds. I really don't like to put a lot of emphisis on stats, or a player's physical dimension's, but more so 1st and formost is he a instinctive football player? And how does he move, is he quick rather than fast, is he fast rather than quick? How does he get in and out of his cut's? Can he create seperation in a short area? Does he know how to use his size to his advantage? Then you can add in the stats. To many guy's as you have hinted at pad their stats against inferior competition, I don't believe that's the case here, my judgement here is what I saw from him at the combine and his body of work in college will translate into the NFL. I was very surprised to see how well this guy run's and cut's for his size, I defiently wasen't expecting it but he really opened my eye's.

I think he's the player we should target in the second rd. but I don't think it will happen.

As for Rolle I like the kid I think he would be perfect for Williams system, I know Pac man has the speed but a little short on instinct, and I really haven't seen Rogers play to make a fair assesment, but I am not against that scenerio either, as for Rolle he has Sean Taylor like instinct's at CB could easily play saftey.

[Daseal]

I understand where you're coming from, I just prefer the guys who are a bit more proven, but you can certainly get steals from small colleges. Some of the best players ever came from small colleges.

We'll agree to disagree!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I understand where you're coming from, I just prefer the guys who are a bit more proven, but you can certainly get steals from small colleges. Some of the best players ever came from small colleges.

We'll agree to disagree!

I here ya, but let's face it until you prove it in the NFL you haven't proven anything. Success in college doesn't mean success in the NFL and likewise. I know I am a little more of a risk taker than some as well, but that's where the big score is, remember either Edward's or Williams could be a bust as well, although I think all of these guy's will succeed at the next level.

[monk81]

I say D line......but probably can't address that with our 9th pick no studs out there at that position. Any word on Courtney Brown.....

We need CB

And a taller WR to go along with our Smurf receivers.......

For later rounds...........
Are we satisified with our guards.......

TE.............

LBs