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[Eknox]

Yes, I agree those picks are hard to swallow for a player that didn't fit the system we were trying to run..

[Whiskeybilt]

I think JC will do well and I wish him the best.

He will be in a smaller market on a team nobody expects much from. I think that will help him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And considering we're getting a 4th in 2012, net of 1 pick

I think the Skins were lucky to get anything for him so that 4th pick helps.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So, are you arguing that if, for the sake of argument, we had picked JC at #25 without giving up extra picks, he would not be a bust?

Originally Posted by irish

Pretty much yes. I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker. JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.

Then, logically, JC is not a bust to you. The trade up for him is what you are criticizing, not JC himself.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Then, logically, JC is not a bust to you. The trade up for him is what you are criticizing, not JC himself.

Its the whole thing, the trade up, JC's play. Put that all together and the final result is bust.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by irish

Its the whole thing, the trade up, JC's play. Put that all together and the final result is bust.

You are not being logical. You can't say "the whole thing" because whether JC busted his pick, or whether we should have traded up for him, are two separate issues, as your own posts have highlighted.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are not being logical. You can't say "the whole thing" because whether JC busted his pick, or whether we should have traded up for him, are two separate issues, as your own posts have highlighted.

I know they are 2 seperate things. Should they have traded up - no. Did JC bust his pick - yes. When you look at the whole saga of JC with the Skins (trade up, his play, toss him out) the final result is bust.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by irish

Pretty much yes. I think I'd call him more of a big disappointment if he was drafted 25th. Its the loss of those picks thats the real kicker. JC ended up being a marginal QB (who might not even start in Oak) who the Skins end up thrwing away for a 4th round pick.

Originally Posted by irish

I know they are 2 seperate things. Should they have traded up - no. Did JC bust his pick - yes. When you look at the whole saga of JC with the Skins (trade up, his play, toss him out) the final result is bust.

Can't have it both ways. Which is it: JC is a "bust," or JC is just a "disappointment"?

[tootergray34]

good riddance...good luck..but i'm glad he isn't here anymore.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Can't have it both ways. Which is it: JC is a "bust," or JC is just a "disappointment"?

Bust

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by irish

Bust

Heath Shuler did nothing and was out of the league quickly. He's a bust.

JC, while a disappointment, is a capable mid-level, non-great QB. To use the same word for him that is used for Shuler is offensive.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Heath Shuler did nothing and was out of the league quickly. He's a bust.

JC, while a disappointment, is a capable mid-level, non-great QB. To use the same word for him that is used for Shuler is offensive.

Like I tried to explain but you cant seem to understand is that when you consider what was given up to get JC and his play he ends up going down as a bust. Shuler was also a bust but at leat the Skins didnt give up players to get him.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by irish

Like I tried to explain but you cant seem to understand is that when you consider what was given up to get JC and his play he ends up going down as a bust. Shuler was also a bust but at leat the Skins didnt give up players to get him.

For reasons I have already mentioned, I'm not going to understand your train of thought on this issue because it lacks logical coherence.

[JLee9718]

It would be interesting to see how JC could have performed with a decent O-line. Plus a decent coach! He'll get a better chance in Oakland, sad to say...

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Can't have it both ways. Which is it: JC is a "bust," or JC is just a "disappointment"?

same old same old in here