Haynesworth might learn a few things about Shanahan from Plummer

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why don't they just make these damn workouts mandatory? Every year we go through this shit with at least a team.

I think this is an excellent point!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 44ever

1. How bout this? He actually does show up to camp and participates and Shanahan keeps him and we have a PROVEN GREAT PLAYER instead of a prideful "pick"

2. All NFL players make a insane amount of money so, they all "need to keep their mouths shut, participate in team activities". Not just AH because he was offered and accepted stupid money.

3. "he has been a major disappointment in the locker room, but great on the field when he is not injuried" I don't care about locker room, all I care about is on field play. I'll take "great on the field all day long!!!!

4.As far as not wanting Haynesworth and T.O. on the same team? Yeah lets not get to much talent on one team! Give me a break! A

5. Trade Haynesworth? "right now of trading him for a quality O lineman" Just because our D is stronger than our O, thats no reason to take away from one to add to another. Thats how you build a mediocre team not a dominate one!

Im for hoping AH comes around and continuing to be a dominate force for the skins!!!

I would love Hanyesworth to show up and act like a proffessional and be a contributing factor all season long. Then just do it??!! Ill take great on the field too that is why I mentioned it. Im not saying he is not a force, he can be dominant, ill give credit where it is do. Yes he can keep his mouth shut and act like everyone should and mostly does, a professional. That is not too much to ask, and IT IS EXPECTED. All these factors do contribute to Haynesworth possibly being let go or traded, Shanny has the rep, the article is a backing piece. If he cant get with the program, then trade him for good/great Olineman and a pick...Haynesworth best use anyway is a 4-3 DT, not anywhere in a 3-4, plus insiders have stated he prefers not to play nosetackle....and TO is old and talent has certainly dwindled, he is not a great player anymore and Bruce Allen is certainly is going to pay him what he wants, tooooooooo bad.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I would love Hanyesworth to show up and act like a proffessional and be a contributing factor all season long. Then just do it??!! Ill take great on the field too that is why I mentioned it. Im not saying he is not a force, he can be dominant, ill give credit where it is do. Yes he can keep his mouth shut and act like everyone should and mostly does, a professional. That is not too much to ask, and IT IS EXPECTED. All these factors do contribute to Haynesworth possibly being let go or traded, Shanny has the rep, the article is a backing piece. If he cant get with the program, then trade him for good/great Olineman and a pick...Haynesworth best use anyway is a 4-3 DT, not anywhere in a 3-4, plus insiders have stated he prefers not to play nosetackle....and TO is old and talent has certainly dwindled, he is not a great player anymore and Bruce Allen is certainly is going to pay him what he wants, tooooooooo bad.

Well brother, from what we learned from this thread, if he doesn't show up, he could very well be gone. I hope not.

[Longtimefan]

I've spent all morning analyzing JR's post and found some of the comments most interesting. A very diversified group of responses. Someone posted the question, where is the PU in all of this, or is this a line they just don't want to cross?

[MTK]

Why would the players union get involved at all? AH isn't obligated to show, but at the same time the Skins aren't doing anything wrong by shopping him. Neither side is technically in the wrong, they just aren't on the same page.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why would the players union get involved at all? AH isn't obligated to show, but at the same time the Skins aren't doing anything wrong by shopping him. Neither side is technically in the wrong, they just aren't on the same page.

That's a good question. My only reason to mention was because it was an obvious concern of a post reader, and I usually take a few moments each morning to read the various comments.

[Mc2guy]

Seems like Shanahan is a subscriber to that old prison adage...

"On day one, you walk up to biggest, baddest dude in the joint and a) become his bitch, or b) punch him in the face. Either way, you're making the point that you are not to be f**&^d with"

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I like instilling discipline in the team. If you think back to every winning streak of substance that we've had since 2000, it took place under a disciplined coach. Marty got us to finish 8-3 after a 0-5 start. Gibbs had two big finishes to the season to qualify for the playoffs. So I love that Shanahan's got that approach.

But there are a number of things to reconcile here. We can draw comparisons between Haynesworth and Plummer, but the bottom line is Shanahan drafted Cutler at 11th overall, so he already had Plummer's replacement lined up. He doesn't have any semblance of replacement for Albert Haynesworth.

That's why you hear Schefter say we're not actively trying to shop him. The thinking on Haynesworth is likely that, for the right player or package, we'll move him. After all, we did try to move him for McNabb. But since we don't have a remotely adequate replacement at NT, we can't move him unless the package really is that appealing.

Unlike Plummer, it will be hard for us to move Haynesworth for a package good enough to make it worth the massive hole we'll have at the NT position.

I don't think of discipline when I hear Joe Gibbs name. I let too much slide his second time here and I think those two runs for the playoffs was more of the team ralling around him.

[Dlyne8r]

Discipline is one of the major missing ingredients for this team. Better to endure some short term financial pain for future long term success. CLEAN HOUSE and send the message that the leader of this asylum will NOT BE RUN BY THE INMATES!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't think of discipline when I hear Joe Gibbs name. I let too much slide his second time here and I think those two runs for the playoffs was more of the team ralling around him.

There are different types of discipline.

Gibbs wasn't a stickler or control freak, but he definitely had control and the respect of the locker room at all times.

[murphy196]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

Seems like Shanahan is a subscriber to that old prison adage...

"On day one, you walk up to biggest, baddest dude in the joint and a) become his bitch, or b) punch him in the face. Either way, you're making the point that you are not to be f**&^d with"

I love it!!!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There are different types of discipline.

Gibbs wasn't a stickler or control freak, but he definitely had control and the respect of the locker room at all times.

I also think he had favorites. While he had control and respect, there may have been some resentment between players as to the preferential treatment some seemed to receive. I think it's pretty clear from some of the comments made at the time and since that there were players who "had the ear of the coach" even under Gibbs. Maybe it wasn't too much of a problem b/c Gibbs knew how to manage the prima donnas.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I also think he had favorites. While he had control and respect, there may have been some resentment between players as to the preferential treatment some seemed to receive. I think it's pretty clear from some of the comments made at the time and since that there were players who "had the ear of the coach" even under Gibbs. Maybe it wasn't too much of a problem b/c Gibbs knew how to manage the prima donnas.

Oh yeah no doubt. He definitely treated some of his stars and leaders differently.

[GMScud]

Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I've heard stuff like this about Shanahan. I heard in his last year in Denver he was ready to just flat out cut Brandon Marshall. Not trade, just cut. That would have been epically stupid. I'm all about discipline, but not to the point where your ego becomes a detriment to the team.

Very good point. Which is why this whole Haynesworth situation doesn't sit well with me. I can maybe agree with the whole workout situation, although to me this whole deal with "voluntary" workout is very stupid. However, it bothers me that Shanahan and Co. would want to play AH out of position as a 3-4 NT. AH has gone on record saying that he'll play whatever position the team wants him to play, but I do agree with him that he'd be a force at DE.