Our next coach??

[SBXVII]

My issues with Fassel revolve around how he coached in New York. Oh don't get me wrong the players loved him. He's a players coach. I just never saw him as a coach that would take a team to the SB and even said that when he was a coach. His play calls were not that great and the actaul plays were not that great. Meaning it was a bland offense. They always won close games.

My second issue is that he is a players coach. I think we need more of a disciplinarian right now. Someone like a Marty or Cowher, maybe Grimm would fill that roll nicely.

Billick never had a decent offense. He's the head coach. It's his duty to make sure it works and I think either it was his system that failed and he wouldn't admit it or his loyalty to whoever was supposed to make the offense work. Fire them and bring in someone who would have fixed the problem but he didn't. Our major issues right now are offense and we are looking at two ex-HC's who had mediocre offenses.

I only like Shanahan cause the O-lines were great in Denver. Great blocking scheme's. Great pass blocking scheme's. He's not my first choice though cause he does not strike me as a disciplinarian.

Although winning fixes everything. We start winning with whoever and everyone will be happy. Some of us might be asking which is the best way to eat crow.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well the only positive thing I could say about Shanahan here in that scenario is that Shanahan would be making the final call on player acquisitions instead of Snyderatto and he'd have the sense to draft offensive linemen in the first two rounds every now and then. I'd rather Shanahan have a "puppet GM" than Snyder to continue to use Vinny as his.

Of course, the same thing could be said if we had a true GM - Snyder wouldnt be the one making the decisions anymore.

I think maybe once, perhaps twice, in 10 years did Shanahan and the Broncos draft offensive linemen in the first two rounds

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

My issues with Fassel revolve around how he coached in New York. Oh don't get me wrong the players loved him. He's a players coach. I just never saw him as a coach that would take a team to the SB and even said that when he was a coach. His play calls were not that great and the actaul plays were not that great. Meaning it was a bland offense. They always won close games.

My second issue is that he is a players coach. I think we need more of a disciplinarian right now. Someone like a Marty or Cowher, maybe Grimm would fill that roll nicely.

Billick never had a decent offense. He's the head coach. It's his duty to make sure it works and I think either it was his system that failed and he wouldn't admit it or his loyalty to whoever was supposed to make the offense work. Fire them and bring in someone who would have fixed the problem but he didn't. Our major issues right now are offense and we are looking at two ex-HC's who had mediocre offenses.

I only like Shanahan cause the O-lines were great in Denver. Great blocking scheme's. Great pass blocking scheme's. He's not my first choice though cause he does not strike me as a disciplinarian.

Although winning fixes everything. We start winning with whoever and everyone will be happy. Some of us might be asking which is the best way to eat crow.

Except that Fassel did take a team to the SB :confused:

Check Billick's offenses in Minnesota.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are certainly better options than Fassel but I don't understand why he gets such a bad rap either Beems. I can't understand why we so quickly dismiss the likes of Fassel, Fisher, and Schottenheimer because they've never won a Super Bowl in spite of all their success overall as head coaches in the NFL...yet we clamor for the likes of Cam Cameron, who could be just fine his second time around but hasn't accomplished nearly what the others have.

Don't forget Jim Harbaugh too.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think maybe once, perhaps twice, in 10 years did Shanahan and the Broncos draft offensive linemen in the first two rounds

Well thats a better record thatn we've had here. besides, Denver always had potent offenses under shanahan, so their line was not holding them back. In fact, thier line always seemed to be among the best in the NFL... although i'm not sure smaller, more agile linemen would be as effective in this division. We need big guys to counter the defensive lines in the East.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Except that Fassel did take a team to the SB :confused:

Check Billick's offenses in Minnesota.

Fassel did go to the superbowl, but his overall record is just too mediocre for me. He may end up being the best option for us, but I'm still hoping we somehow manage to land Cowher. He's just got the right "attitude" for a division as tough as this one. His teams were always "tough" and thats not something you can say about any of the other coaches who are going to be out there. This team needs a culture change and I think he's the best guy to bring it.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Fassel did go to the superbowl, but his overall record is just too mediocre for me. He may end up being the best option for us, but I'm still hoping we somehow manage to land Cowher. He's just got the right "attitude" for a division as tough as this one. His teams were always "tough" and thats not something you can say about any of the other coaches who are going to be out there. This team needs a culture change and I think he's the best guy to bring it.

My question is, why do we have to settle for mediocrity with coaches that have one SB win in 14 years or another who won with Elway or Billick who had a great D assembled by Ozzie Newsome. I don't want Jack Pardee type coaches coaching this team, I want a young unknown coach like when Gibbs was hired who will be a winner. Is it this bad being a Redskins fans that mediocrity is what we clamor for?

[SmootSmack]

I don't have a huge problem with Shanahan as the head coach. He's very creative and a good offensive mind. Though for all his genius, I would have expected more dominance in the AFC West from him.

But he tends to rotate defensive coaches with relative ease, which ruins continuity on that side. And he's made some very poor personnel decisions both through the draft and free agency-Clarett, Willie Middlebrooks, Courtney Brown, Dale Carter, Quentin Griffin, Leon Lett, Eddie Kennison and so on.

It's easy to sit here and say that Cerrato is the worst personnel man in the league, but upon closer inspection it's hard to say that replacing him Shanahan is a marked improvement.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't have a huge problem with Shanahan as the head coach. He's very creative and a good offensive mind. Though for all his genius, I would have expected more dominance in the AFC West from him.

But he tends to rotate defensive coaches with relative ease, which ruins continuity on that side. And he's made some very poor personnel decisions both through the draft and free agency-Clarett, Willie Middlebrooks, Courtney Brown, Dale Carter, Quentin Griffin, Leon Lett, Eddie Kennison and so on.

It's easy to sit here and say that Cerrato is the worst personnel man in the league, but upon closer inspection it's hard to say that replacing him Shanahan is a marked improvement.

It's a little scary to think what he would do with Snyder's checkbook. I mean he really made his share of questionable personnel decisions in Denver. For as much heat as the Skins would get for making iffy moves, it always seemed as if Shanahan was trying to outdo us in the wacky moves dept.

[Beemnseven]

We hear a lot about how bad Mike Shanahan's personnel decsions were. And certainly, he whiffed on quite a few. But sometimes I feel like people tend to overstate those mistakes a bit.

When you look at his last few seasons with the Broncos, he went downhill slightly with records of 9-7, 7-9, and 8-8 in '06, '07, and '08 respectively. Only two of his 14 years in Denver finished with losing records. This year's Broncos are essentially his team, and while they've fallen off the past few weeks, they started out 6-0. So they aren't exactly chopped liver.

With Shanahan in charge of personnel, the worst you can honestly say is that his team started to drift into mediocrity. It's not like he left the organization in the sh*t wagon.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

We hear a lot about how bad Mike Shanahan's personnel decsions were. And certainly, he whiffed on quite a few. But sometimes I feel like people tend to overstate those mistakes a bit.

When you look at his last few seasons with the Broncos, he went downhill slightly with records of 9-7, 7-9, and 8-8 in '06, '07, and '08 respectively. Only two of his 14 years in Denver finished with losing records. This year's Broncos are essentially his team, and while they've fallen off the past few weeks, they started out 6-0. So they aren't exactly chopped liver.

With Shanahan in charge of personnel, the worst you can honestly say is that his team started to drift into mediocrity. It's not like he left the organization in the sh*t wagon.

Probably about as overstated as the Redskins draft mistakes.

[Beemnseven]

Well, we are on the ugly side of .500 for the past ten years with the draft choices we have made.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, we are on the ugly side of .500 for the past ten years with the draft choices we have made.

And a .500 record over his last 3 seasons is what got Shanahan fired.

The more I think about Shanahan running things the less I like the idea. I just think we could be in for more of the same like we have with Vinny.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And a .500 record over his last 3 seasons is what got Shanahan fired.

The more I think about Shanahan running things the less I like the idea. I just think we could be in for more of the same like we have with Vinny.

i'm getting there, too. I'd rather go with Shanahan than another Zorn-type guy, though.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

My question is, why do we have to settle for mediocrity with coaches that have one SB win in 14 years or another who won with Elway or Billick who had a great D assembled by Ozzie Newsome. I don't want Jack Pardee type coaches coaching this team, I want a young unknown coach like when Gibbs was hired who will be a winner. Is it this bad being a Redskins fans that mediocrity is what we clamor for?

the problem is, what you want is EXACTLY what Snyder did with Zorn. How's that worked out for us?