Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

This probably is all true, but when do you hold him accountable for his own actions and the mistakes that was under his control?

I do hold him accountable for overthrows, running into sacks, going threw his progressions to fast, but that doesn't stop me from supporting him. All QB do these things but it's pointed out more when you are on a losing team. JC deserves some criticism but not all of the criticism WR's, RB's, OL, TE's need to come out and say ok we realize our QB is struggling and obviously he doesn't trust us to an extent what can we do better. I realize this comes with the territory but if his teammates come to bat for him and publicly endorse and support him like they did Zorn. I feel that would show JC were not using you as a scapegoat we haven't giving up on you even if they have.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

but if his teammates come to bat for him and publicly endorse and support him like they did Zorn. I feel that would show JC were not using you as a scapegoat we haven't giving up on you even if they have.

I think to a man JC's teammates support him.
I think the people that don't support him are the FO and quasi-fans.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by mcarey032

I believe that is due in part because he is pressing. He is trying to make things happen because the offense in general is so stagnate. I can't say that I blame Campbell. You want to stand tall in the pocket, but when you get sacked 6 times and you are probably hit more than double that it is hard to not try and make something happen.

No he's not. In the first half of the Philly game, there were 2 or 3 plays where he had all day to throw, and instead of going downfield, he either checked down or threw to the flat. If he was desperately trying to make something happen, he would have said eff it and let 'er rip. Even during the best streak of his career, the 6-2 start last year, he threw 8 TDs in 8 games. Big whoop. Aside from Brad Johnson and Trent Green, we've started back-up quality QBs for well over a decade now.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Green1

You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.

And look how terrible Brees was when he went to the Saints from the Chargers. It took him a good 5 years to get acclimated. And remember how Brady came in for Bledsoe and screwed everything up. They could have gone far in the playoffs that year if only Brady had more time to learn the system. Pennington sucked last year too when he went to the Dolphins. It's all about time in the system. I agree.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Green1

New QB means at least two more years of losing. New QB + learning a new Offense + bad O-Line = New Coach which brings us to our current position again.

It's OK. I don't think fans care so much about losing, as long as they're building up to something. I'd gladly suffer through a 3 year re-building process if it meant we were a perennial contender for the next 10-15 years and had a true franchise QB we never had to bicker about.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Awful pocket presence leading to undue pressure? Really? You think JC is causing the pressure and sacks? Okay.
LoL, JC pocket presence or lack thereof at the start of the game is due to previous games lack of protection.
Although JC had pressure the fumble was his fault the onus is always on the ball carrier to protect the ball.
Missed 'big' play? Dude, every QB misses some plays, they pointed out McNabb missing a 'big' play.

I started to express some points to counter your responses with all that you said (and not what I have just quoted you on), but I feel like I'm repeating myself.

All I want to ask to you is - do you agree with some others on here that jason campbell is playing very well this season?

Then I can see where you're at in the way you are thinking.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think to a man JC's teammates support him.
I think the people that don't support him are the FO and quasi-fans.

Are you his agent?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I started to express some points to counter your responses with all that you said (and not what I have just quoted you on), but I feel like I'm repeating myself.

All I want to ask to you is - do you agree with some others on here that jason campbell is playing very well this season?

Then I can see where you're at in the way you are thinking.

JC is the 18th ranked QB in the NFL.

JC is playing about as well as can be expected given the circumstances.

Being the QB for this Redskins team with the OL issues, lack of a ground game and suspect coaching/playcalling is not conducive to playing very well.

Barring a strong second half (not just stats but with wins and a general upward trend of the team), JC will be starting for someone next year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Are you his agent?

Are you a troll?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Are you a troll?

Are you mad and have an inflated ego?

Systems don't make you inaccurate, being inaccurate does.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think to a man JC's teammates support him.
I think the people that don't support him are the FO and quasi-fans.

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Are you his agent?

Originally Posted by 30gut

Are you a troll?

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Are you mad and have an inflated ego?

Are you talking about yourself?
Don't be mad b/c i called you a troll, which is what you are.

HTTR!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Are you talking about yourself?
Don't be mad b/c i called you a troll, which is what you are.

HTTR!

Apparently you can't handle forums and interaction with people, stick to the paper kid.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Apparently you can't handle forums and interaction with people, stick to the paper kid.

I'm going to stop responding to your trolling.
We've sidetracked this thread enough.
And your posts have added nothing to this thread.

In the future you should have something to say about football, then post.

HTTR!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm going to stop responding to your trolling.
We've sidetracked this thread enough.
And your posts have added nothing to this thread.

In the future you should have something to say about football, then post.

HTTR!

Did you just learn that word today?

You conveniently didn't include any of my quotes about his play, you even took part of a post that you quoted out

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Aaron Rodgers OL 'sucking' is a bit overblown.
Even during the game against the Vikes i recall Jaws saying how he caused some of those sacks, although i didn't agree with him.

Anyone watching the Vikes-Pack game?

Because Aikman has twice reaffirmed what Jaws was saying about Aaron Rodgers causing some of the sacks in the 1st Vikings game.