Zorn On The Hot Seat

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

"What Type Of Head Coach Does This Tean Need"?......63 replies thus far.

Yes, but all that demonstrates is that fans are complaining about Zorn. That does not put Zorn on the hot seat because fans have zero hand in the hiring and firing processes.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Really and the Pats, Stlrs, Cowboys, Phil, and many other teams have the same records as the Skins. All this talk is really getting old. I could see it if we where 8 to 10 games into the season with a bad record but not after 2 games.

People who follow this team have grown acustomed to an owner with so little patience, any coach that comes here and does not post a consistently winning record is going to be rediculed. It's the nature of the beast.

If Zorn is fired...endless speculation about a new HC.....New HC hired just to be fired, because if he comes here and does not win..good-bye. It's a never ending vicious cycle, and in the end game we still haven't won anything. I wish someone/somehow we could stop the madness.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And Arthur Blank is not what one would call 'hands off'. Anyone else remember him wheeling Mike Vick out onto the field a few years back in Atlanta? Blank spends just slightly less time on the sidelines during the game than Jerry Jones.

Oh please. Falcon's President Rich McKay's hiring of Tom Dimitroff as GM, and Dimitroff's brilliant 2008 offseason are the biggest reasons that the Falcons will post consecutive winning seasons for the first time ever. Being a sideline cheerleader doesn't put Blank in Jerry Jones's class as a hands on owner, nor Dan Snyder's for that matter.

[Longtimefan]

[QUOTE=Lotus;594754]Yes, but all that demonstrates is that fans are complaining about Zorn. That does not put Zorn on the hot seat because fans have zero hand in the hiring and firing processes.[/QUOT

Remember Jim Fossil? Don't think the fans had anything to do with the choice between him and Zorn?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Oh please. Falcon's President Rich McKay's hiring of Tom Dimitroff as GM, and Dimitroff's brilliant 2008 offseason are the biggest reasons that the Falcons will post consecutive winning seasons for the first time ever. Being a sideline cheerleader doesn't put Blank in Jerry Jones's class as a hands on owner, nor Dan Snyder's for that matter.

I didn't call him a Jones/Snyder clone, but he's not exactly 'hands off'.

[BrunellMVP?]

posted this on a different thread but it applies here...
this is exactly it- its virtually a lose lose situation...yet the skins organization put themselves in this position. They price, market and sell themselves as an ELITE team with ELITE talent. Why is it unreasonable for us (as fans) to expect to see elite results? For over a decade now, they've paraded mediocre team after mediocre team in front of us all while trumpeting the same song and dance "we have the talent! we just need to execute!" When is enough, enough? when will it be acceptable for fans to demand progress? Do you get what I'm saying? Its not that we aren't patient, its just that after a decade of treading water, we are tired- how long before we drown?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

When is enough, enough?

Enough is enough of posting the exact same response in multiple threads.....

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Enough is enough of posting the exact same response in multiple threads.....

yeah seriously,

[Lotus]

[quote=Longtimefan;594763]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yes, but all that demonstrates is that fans are complaining about Zorn. That does not put Zorn on the hot seat because fans have zero hand in the hiring and firing processes.[/QUOT

Remember Jim Fossil? Don't think the fans had anything to do with the choice between him and Zorn?

I pray that the fans had nothing to do with the Fassel decision or any other one. Fans are idiots. I hope that their voice is not taken into account.

The fact is, Zorn is not really on the hot seat until Danny issues the dreaded "statement of confidence." Such statements ironically legitimize criticism. If the owner is not concerned about a coach, then then the owner says nothing, which so far has been the case.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Enough is enough of posting the exact same response in multiple threads.....

when I wrote "posted on a different thread but applies here" i meant, if you read it, or dont' want to re-read it, skip it. its not like i'm trying to hide that fact... its not the difficult to skip it- but the fact is we have like 10 threads about the same topic...upset fans/zorn on the hot seat/upset players/detroit game, etc...sometime posts apply- I am sorry if it bothers you though- won't do it again but I don't see what the big deal is.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

when I wrote "posted on a different thread but applies here" i meant, if you read it, or dont' want to re-read it, skip it. its not like i'm trying to hide that fact... its not the difficult to skip it- but the fact is we have like 10 threads about the same topic...upset fans/zorn on the hot seat/upset players/detroit game, etc...sometime posts apply- I am sorry if it bothers you though- won't do it again but I don't see what the big deal is.

This actually isn't an "I'm Upset With Zorn" thread.

It is about the expectations Zorn was to have coming into his first ever head coaching job in the NFL.

Considering he was previously a QB's Coach and then elevated to Head Coach for the first time in his career what did the Redskins Front Office REALISTICALLY expect the success of Jim Zorn to be?...And are they allowing sufficient time to be successful?


(I think Zorn haters and apologists came in here and thought it it was business as usual by making it all about Zorn again.)

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, at the end of last season a lot of people were saying "look out, the Dolphins are a perennial contender now. Look at what Parcells has done turning from 1-15 to 11-5." To which I believe my response was "It's been one year, let's see what happens in 2009" And now they're 0-2. Will they still be good in the long run? Perhaps. I think they have a lot of question marks. But they are 0-2.

But it was also to sort of point out that one reason Zorn is on the hot seat is because fortunes can change from bad to good in an incident (and then back to 0-2 again), and the expectation is just about any coach should be able to jump right in and be successful. Not a fair expectation, to be sure.

Thanks for replying to the original question Smoot.

And don't think I'm not reading over you and Matty bustin' my balls about Armstrong : )


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OMG!!!...LOL...I just saw the poll about the OL in the sidebar. That is effing hilarious!...you sons of b's!

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Why is it not CERRATO on the hot seat??? He's the GM/Pres/WTF-ever who hired Zorn, plus about a million other bad decisions. Impeach Cerrato first, it makes more sense to do that mid-season than firing the coach! Then a new, hopefully competent GM can get a feel for the team and be ready to make off-season decisions, including the fate of ZZZZZorn. Am I wrong here?

[MTK]

We're 2 games in and we're 1-1, I think people need to calm the F down with the hotseat BS.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I'll give you 4 more reasons
Bill Cowher
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Tony Dungy
Cam Cameron

Well ok thats 5... I see Cam being a hot offseason name if he can keep the Ravens rolling.

When did HOLMGREN rumors start?

He's definitely not coming here, or probably anywhere.

I don't think Dungy just wanted ONE year off either, although I'd love to have him as our coach.