Defense = Disappointment

[saden1]

sandtrapjack, we don't like haters around here. You'll see Fat Albert up and personal real soon when he blows up that O-line of yours.

[sportscurmudgeon]

The biggest disappointment from yesterday's defensive showing is this:

The Skins spent big time $$$ and draft picks on the defensive side of the ball in the off-season and what they got for that was what we saw last year.

With 9 minutes (approx) to play and trailing by 10, the Skins punted the ball to the Giants in Giants' terriroty. What they needed from the defense there was a "3-and-out". Get the ball back; get one score and the game is in reach with a field goal and a TD.

What did they get? They got a defense that let the Giants drive the ball for 6 minutes (approx) and kick another field goal. That meant they needed two TDs to win and had only about 3 and a half minutes to make that happen.

That same kind of play happened about three or four times last year. It is not a recipe for winning enough football games to make it ot the playoffs. I was expecting better this year.

Thanks for playing; what parting gifts do we have for our defense, Charles...?

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

^Well, we have a big fat game check and another chance of winning a football game next week.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Ratliff was a 7th rounder and did not get a 100 million dollar contract with 41 Mill garaunteed. And he has been to just as many pro bowls as the 100 milllion dollar Haynesworth.

Oh and you forgot to add a 34-21 victory.

Just saying you could have gotten the same production for less cap money is all.

Just making a point that you can't quote a couple of stats and say someone's gotta step it up. Obviously, Ratliff isn't getting paid the money Haynesworth is.

If you want to start a thread about AH being worth 40 mill guaranteed, start one. That's another story. AH played pretty damn well yesterday. BTW...the Bucs aren't close to the NY Giants.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by saden1

sandtrapjack, we don't like haters around here. You'll see Fat Albert up and personal real soon when he blows up that O-line of yours.

My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

I very much doubt Gurode can handle him all by himself. I'd love to see 1-on-1 match up there. BTW, how many of Fat Albert's tackles from yesterday were for a loss?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

Dallas has a lot of very talented players, but IMO Gurode is not an elite center. For starters, he is God awful at getting Romo the ball when he's in shotgun. Last season alone I must have seen half a dozen balls snapped at Romo's face or over his head.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I very much doubt Gurode can handle him all by himself. I'd love to see 1-on-1 match up there. BTW, how many of Fat Albert's tackles from yesterday were for a loss?

Uh he already HAS handled him all by himself. The result....Haynesworth suspended.....Gurode Pro Bowl.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Really, the only difference between Eli and Jason Campbell at this point in their careers is that Eli is better in the pocket. He moves better, and does better with the pocket collapsing around him.

Otherwise, they are very similar players.

Ummm Eli has led a team through the playoffs to win a superbowl. Eli actually led a team that was a heavy underdog to beat one of the best NFL teams of all time in media frenzy New York, where people and teammates (Tiki) who criticized him and his ability to win regularly. Eli led one of the greatest drives in Superbowl history. That is a huge difference to me that favors Eli. Leadership and the ability to rally your team to a win...Never seen it in JC. JC couldnt rally the team when they were spiralling to the basement in the division last year. He couldnt put the team on his shoulders and make people around him better. He needs this ability, this confidence in a big win...hopefully he finds it. Big Ben isnt what I consider a great QB by his stats, but his leadership ability and his ability to just get the win puts him in the conversation every year.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ummm Eli has led a team through the playoffs to win a superbowl. Eli actually led a team that was a heavy underdog to beat one of the best NFL teams of all time in media frenzy New York, where people and teammates (Tiki) who criticized him and his ability to win regularly. Eli led one of the greatest drives in Superbowl history. That is a huge difference to me that favors Eli. Leadership and the ability to rally your team to a win...Never seen it in JC. JC couldnt rally the team when they were spiralling to the basement in the division last year. He couldnt put the team on his shoulders and make people around him better. He needs this ability, this confidence in a big win...hopefully he finds it. Big Ben isnt what I consider a great QB by his stats, but his leadership ability and his ability to just get the win puts him in the conversation every year.

If Campbell hasn't learned to move around in the pocket yet, he never will. Pocket awareness is pretty important. I also don't recall seeing Eli audible to a running play on 3rd and 8. When teams have taken away the run, Eli has proven plenty capable of shouldering the load (see game 2 against the Skins last year. We played the run and he carved us up with the pass). JC may improve one day, but he's not as good as Eli at this point.

[RedBar]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The absolute bottom line is the offense needs to produce. Point-blank, thats it, no excuses. Everybody, JC, Zorn, recievers, line. That performance yesterday was garbage. Plain and simple. Everyone who plays O deserves to shoulder the blame. The excuses of JC under another new offense, Zorn is a first year head coach he will improve, the oline will be better, all that is gone. The offense should be better than last year. In order to win in this division is you got to score. Anybody see the points Cowboys and Eagles scored yesterday? The mistakes have to end or Zorn and Campbell are gone-bottom line and thats not my opinion, that is reality. Snyder isnt going to wait on Zorn. Now everyone wants to point fingers at the Defense. I have a sh*t-ton more faith in Blache and the Defensive than Zorn and the Offensive. That secondary is basically the same from last year when the Defense was 4th in the league and our D-line players have greatly improved. Now the D didnt play great yesterday BUT they provided opportunities for the crap offense and they did NOTHING. I dont need to provide stats to back up what I saw yesterday on offense, anybody who watched saw we were shut down. Toss that game ending touchdown out the window, that is not a factor. We are only as good as a last game. Not too good.

I could not agree more. Defense certainly needs to improve and I am starting to worry about D Hall, tackling was god awful, but defense is also played best with emotion it is almost about emotion, that is why guys like Ray Lewis and Mike Singletary look like they are half cocked and the offensive stars like Joe Montana, Tom Brady tend to be more controlled. That being said the offense has to do a little better imo with their drives especially following turnovers especially turnovers deep in the opponents territory. It is hard to play motivated football when you scratch and claw for a stop or a turnover and the offense keeps letting the opportunities go. (It does however provide fuel for guys who hate our defense to say hey if you'd have gotten one more stop or one more turnover at the end we could have won. You know the kind of guy I'm talking about. All around sub par performance though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by RedBar

I could not agree more. Defense certainly needs to improve and I am starting to worry about D Hall, tackling was god awful, but defense is also played best with emotion it is almost about emotion, that is why guys like Ray Lewis and Mike Singletary look like they are half cocked and the offensive stars like Joe Montana, Tom Brady tend to be more controlled. That being said the offense has to do a little better imo with their drives especially following turnovers especially turnovers deep in the opponents territory. It is hard to play motivated football when you scratch and claw for a stop or a turnover and the offense keeps letting the opportunities go. (It does however provide fuel for guys who hate our defense to say hey if you'd have gotten one more stop or one more turnover at the end we could have won. You know the kind of guy I'm talking about. All around sub par performance though.

Do you think there is growing animosity between the offense and defense, or has it not gotten to that point?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

I was reading the post like who is this guy they are speaking of. Then I realized that the post were very vague and unintelligent. Then it dawned on me..Dallas fan. Scrolled down. There he was. LMAO

[SFREDSKIN]

You know what would be a fun lineup to see in the DL? Alexander playing DE, Haynesworth and Montgomery in the middle and Carter in the other end spot. See if other teams can run up the middle when you got 350 and 330 lbs. walls standing in front of you and Alexander and Carter pressuring from the outside, might as well throw in Jarmon in the outside for fun too.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

You know what would be a fun lineup to see in the DL? Alexander playing DE, Haynesworth and Montgomery in the middle and Carter in the other end spot. See if other teams can run up the middle when you got 350 and 330 lbs. walls standing in front of you and Alexander and Carter pressuring from the outside, might as well throw in Jarmon in the outside for fun too.

I would like to see Jarmon in the game a little bit more on passing downs. Him and Wilson are probably our best passrushers on that side of the line.