'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly

[skinsfan69]

Did anyone actually think we were better than the Giants??? I have news for everyone. They are a better football team than we are. From ownership on down the freakin water boys they're better. Can someone tell me any area where we're better than NY? I can't think of one. I'm not going to panic cause I know they're better than us. Let's regroup next week.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Did anyone actually think we were better than the Giants??? I have news for everyone. They are a better football team than we are. From ownership on down the freakin water boys they're better. Can someone tell me any area where we're better than NY? I can't think of one. I'm not going to panic cause I know they're better than us. Let's regroup next week.

Portis>Jacobs

Cooley>Boss

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Did anyone actually think we were better than the Giants??? I have news for everyone. They are a better football team than we are. From ownership on down the freakin water boys they're better. Can someone tell me any area where we're better than NY? I can't think of one. I'm not going to panic cause I know they're better than us. Let's regroup next week.

We're probably better in both lines.

Less confident about the offensive lines, obviously, but their forte is run blocking, and well, they didn't open many holes at all today.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Portis>Jacobs

Cooley>Boss

I'll give you Cooley over Boss. As a group the Giants RB's are just as effective as Portis.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We're probably better in both lines.

Less confident about the offensive lines, obviously, but their forte is run blocking, and well, they didn't open many holes at all today.

What????????????????? They have better lines on both sides of the ball hands down.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What????????????????? They have better lines on both sides of the ball hands down.

Not really. That's a media creation that doesn't hold up on tape.

They do have better pass protection units, but that has more to do with their back and tight end pickups than the actual 5 offensive lineman.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not really. That's a media creation that doesn't hold up on tape.

They do have better pass protection units, but that has more to do with their back and tight end pickups than the actual 5 offensive lineman.

I couldn't disagree more.
Both of their lines are far more dominant than ours.

They don't have a weekness on either unit.
Our Dline can't rush the passer.
Our Oline can't run block.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jamf

I couldn't disagree more.
Both of their lines are far more dominant than ours.

They don't have a weekness on either unit.
Our Dline can't rush the passer.
Our Oline can't run block.

Both of the turnovers today were created by DL pressure. We've been a good run defensive line since 2004.

Our OL kept them from collapsing the pocket on Campbell for most of the game, which was key to give us a chance.

I don't, for the record, believe that either of our units, offense or defense is as good as theirs. But I think the difference is in the skill positions on offense, and back seven on defense. Not on the lines where both teams are very strong.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm easily as frustrated at today's game as any out there. That was a pathetic showing, on the national stage, against a division opponent. I was in the game chat venting my frustrations with the rest of you but I am going to take a step back in my evaluations and acknowledge a few things before 'bringing the Pain'.

It was one game, week one and we're in no worse position than half of the league at 0-1. We played the Giants, recognized by many as the or one of the best teams in the league. For as poorly as we played, we were within a touchdown going into the 4th quarter. It sucks terribly to have to deal with this upcoming week but it's not the end of the world or the season.

Ok, time to 'Bring the Pain'. I've only got one victim this week, Jim Zorn.

Playcalling-Wow, that was the worst game I'd seen called since, well last season's opener. Some obvious examples:

-Plain stupidity-How can you call a WR reverse pass on the 2nd game of the season? Any jr. high school coach knows you have to set that play up. That sapped all momentum from the opening drive. Yes, Randle-El should have thrown the ball out of bounds, but more importantly, he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with!! Terrible decisions all around.
-Run/pass ratio-We trailed from the first snap the offense took yet Zorn called the game as if we held a 17 point lead. All but 3 possessions started with a run. ALL BUT 3! I understand wanting to keep the running game viable, but when you are running the ball on 2nd and 9 while you are down 2 possessions on your side off the 50 in the 4th quarter is moronic.

-Having the pulse of your players-Whatever you think about Jason Campbell as a QB, one thing is known about him. He is a rhythm passer. Get him going early and in a comfort zone and he's much more successful. One thing jumps out at me about him, he's much more comfortable and confident in the shotgun. For example, he was 14-17, 171 yards, TD today from the shotgun (6-6, 70 yds on the final drive) & 5-9 for 40 yards under center. If I can recognize that from my La-Z-Boy, Zorn should recognize this as well. I think his stubbornness gets in the way of what's best for the team. I am a JC supporter so take this with a grain of salt but you can be successful with him IF you put him in positions to do so! Let him do what he does well rather than trying to make him do what you ideally want someone to do. I think good coaches tailor what they do to the players they have and what they do best, not the other way around.

Team management and preparation-Pretty terrible showing in some really basic areas. Tackling, discipline, conditioning, penalties. We weren't physically whipped, completely out schemed (aside from Blache's vanilla defenses) or out-talented. We were beat, as usual, on the little things. Lack of gap integrity, poor effort on tackles, lazy/sloppy play. One of my biggest gripes with Zorn this preseason was how little he used the starters. He was acting like we were coming off of a Super Bowl run and returning all 22 starters.

We came out with nothing and stayed that way. The Manningham TD was the type of defensive effort that gets high school coaches fired. The Boss completion late in the 4th quarter, every DL stopped their feet while the play was alive and the QB had the ball in the pocket.

Finally, one specific gripe from last season that seems to have carried on, why is Laron Landry playing 20 yards off of the line of scrimmage?!?!? If he's one of our defensive playmakers, put him in positions to make plays!!!

I still think we've got 10 win talent and will go on a nice run with some lesser teams on the horizon.

"Bring the Pain" huh? I guess "Smoot Lays the Smack Down" serves no purpose now as a weekly feature. I sort of feel like Jon Jansen when he showed up one day at training camp last year and saw himself dropped down the depth chart...

Well, I'm going to bring the pain to

Andre Carter Smoot and D. Hall (especially) are getting a lot of grief for whiffing on the Manningham touchdown. But, I may have missed it, I've heard hardly any mention of Andre Carter's awful attempt on that play

Antwaan Randle El Yes, you could argue that Zorn's decision to call the trick play on the second play of the game was questionable. But, it would have been one thing if he set up with Devin Thomas. But he didn't. The play was for ARE, an experienced veteran who should be trusted to make a smart decision. If Zorn can trust his veterans to make smart decisions, who can he trust?

Whoever was responsible for keeping Malcolm Kelly irrelevant on Sunday I suspect it was Dan Snyder....sorry, Dan Synder

Juggernaut....sorry, Juggernaunt and Insideman For starting stupid, panic threads after the first game of the season. An away loss to the New York Giants. It's fine to have concerns and be critical (see: this thread), but your threads sucked. Especially insideman's. That was one of the worst threads I've seen started in the history of stupid threads that are started after a loss. Nothing personal, just disappointed really in myself for being surprised to see such threads...yet again.

Carlos Rogers Looked to me like he dropped yet another INT on the first drive of the game. Can't have that

Sam Huff First drive of the game..."Rocky McIntosh is having the best year of his career so far at this point in the season"....What???

Disappointing loss overall, especially because it looked and felt like this was an upset we could sneak out of the Meadowlands with on Sunday. We need to find our rhythm on offense. The Giants are a tough team to make that happen. Hopefully, over the next few weeks we can start to develop some offensive consistency. I'm not concerned...yet.

[CRedskinsRule]

Smootsmack For using the word rhythm in his critique. I think that word needs to be banished to the fiery pits of hell.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

"Bring the Pain" huh? I guess "Smoot Lays the Smack Down" serves no purpose now as a weekly feature. I sort of feel like Jon Jansen when he showed up one day at training camp last year and saw himself dropped down the depth chart...

I dont care about the other threads.....we always need the Smackdown!!!

[Coff]

Originally Posted by insideman

Outstanding tread,,, When Sydner replaces Vinny and the front office and coachs, then we might start to see some progress. But Sydner needs to start now (and he may well have after todays loss) really really try and find some way to bring in a very talented coaching staff that knows what they are doing and start the pain staking process of rebuilding this team. Snyder needs to lose his pride and look into what has helped some of the other teams like the Pats,Steelers,etc. be so successful. And quite this shit of trying to break the bank just because he has the money. Common sense can go along ways.

Are you referring to the successful teams that don't consider firing coaches after only 17 games?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by roth74va

I dont care about the other threads.....we always need the Smackdown!!!

I agree! Bring the Pain was not and is not an attempt to replace or usurp the Smackdown! It was a one time thread. I am merely Timmy Smith to your John Riggins. We want our Smackdown!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Juggernaut....sorry, Juggernaunt and Insideman For starting stupid, panic threads after the first game of the season. An away loss to the New York Giants. It's fine to have concerns and be critical (see: this thread), but your threads sucked. Especially insideman's. That was one of the worst threads I've seen started in the history of stupid threads that are started after a loss. Nothing personal, just disappointed really in myself for being surprised to see such threads...yet again.

I think we need a poll to decide which was the biggest over reaction thread.

[dmek25]

i vote all of them....