Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

They also were going back and forth with Demetric Evans, which obviously didn't work out.

I havent read anything that indicated the Redskins ever really gave serious consideration to re-signing Evans.

There are plenty of players on the market right now worth looking at, especially at LB... just not guys worth spending serious money on. Like GT said, its possible we just are being sneaky about it.

[GTripp0012]

Best Available FAs, 27 years old or younger

FB Leonard Weaver 26
DT Tank Johnson 27
CB Bryant McFadden 27
LB Marques Harris 27
RB Jason Wright 26
S James Butler 26
CB Daven Holly 27
CB Leigh Bodden 27
DT Mike Wright 27
OT Khalif Barnes 27
LB Tyjyan Hagler 27
S Gerald Sensabaugh 26
S Sean Jones 27
DE Igor Olshansky 27
CB Reynaldo Hill 27
DT Shaun Cody 26
OT Ray Willis 27
CB Justin Miller 25
WR Reggie Williams 26
DE C.J. Mosely 26
DE Michael Montgomery 26
CB Chris Carr 26
WR Drew Carter 27
G Elton Brown 27
LB Heath Farwell 27
LB Kevin Burnett 26
WR Tab Perry 27
LB Pat Thomas 26
DT Dewayne Robinson 27
C Duke Preston 27
LB Andre Frazier 27
S Matt Giordano 26
S Brandon McGowan 25
CB Pac Man Jones 25
CB Eric Green 27

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Best Available FAs, 27 years old or younger

FB Leonard Weaver 26
DT Tank Johnson 27
CB Bryant McFadden 27
LB Marques Harris 27
RB Jason Wright 26
S James Butler 26
CB Daven Holly 27
CB Leigh Bodden 27
DT Mike Wright 27
OT Khalif Barnes 27
LB Tyjyan Hagler 27
S Gerald Sensabaugh 26
S Sean Jones 27
DE Igor Olshansky 27
CB Reynaldo Hill 27
DT Shaun Cody 26
OT Ray Willis 27
CB Justin Miller 25
WR Reggie Williams 26
DE C.J. Mosely 26
DE Michael Montgomery 26
CB Chris Carr 26
WR Drew Carter 27
G Elton Brown 27
LB Heath Farwell 27
LB Kevin Burnett 26
WR Tab Perry 27
LB Pat Thomas 26
DT Dewayne Robinson 27
C Duke Preston 27
LB Andre Frazier 27
S Matt Giordano 26
S Brandon McGowan 25
CB Pac Man Jones 25
CB Eric Green 27

The guys i highlighted are worth looking at. Also, there are plenty of guys between 27 and 30 who are worth signing on the cheap.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well they brought in Ray Willis yesterday, who really is the only tackle remaining on the market worth any serious coin. You just didn't hear about the visit until today.

They just signed a punter which we just heard about, and they are bringing in that Brown guy from Arizona.

It sounds like they've been active, we just haven't heard about it because JLC doesn't have the best inside sources anymore, and the national media outlets like SI, ESPN, and CBS don't care to follow our pursuit of teir 2 free agent linemen.

Also, if they've seemed inactive, it's also because the talent available out there now is depleted. I see several decent LBs, but they're old and don't really fit what we're looking for (SLB).

I know it isn't the cap that's holding them back. They're just wondering who's really worth paying for. And on the ones they do think it's worthwhile (Willis) they've just been flying under the radar till today.

Easy, easy you don't have to go racial now.

[Schneed10]

If you can stay with this (it gets long and your eyes may go crossed as there are a lot of figures thrown at you), it is an absolutely excellent recap of the methods used by the Redskins to massage the cap.

Washington Redskins News - How To Circumvent Cap Hell - 2009-03-05

With the free agency talent drying up as the days go by, the Washington Redskins need to address holes not yet filled. The Washington Times is reporting that the Washington Redskins have “limited flexibility” to address these needs. This is another head scratcher because almost a week after the Post said they wouldn’t be players in the 2009 free agency market, they signed a Pro Bowl defensive tackle in Albert Haynesworth, re-signed cornerback DeAngelo Hall, brought back former starting guard Derrick Dockery and signed punter Dirk Johnson.

They are currently courting free agent offensive tackles Ray Willis and Elton Brown, still talking to guard Pete Kendall about resigning, and expected to resign defensive end Phillip Daniels and maybe linebacker/special teams ace Khary Campbell. They may not get Ray Willis and Elton Brown, but not counting Dirk Johnson, the Washington Redskins are more than $11 million under the 2009 salary cap on March 5th and are anything but limited in what the can do between now and the 2009 NFL Draft.

[Schneed10]

In addition, I'd like to remind the community that while Jason La Canfora, David Elfin, Peter King, et al are all strong writers who can share varying degrees of inside info...

They are not accountants, and they do not have a finance background.

Consider the source when you read their cap info. Then come here to CC's numbers when you want accuracy.

[That Guy]

well, according to your link, which draws numbers directly from NFLPA, AH counts 10.4mill in 2009 (6mill base + 22/5 = 10.4mill), not 7.9, and dockery counts 4mill (3.2base +4/5 = 4.0mill) not 4.1.

yay math/better info:

all signing bonuses are prorated over 5 years, option bonuses are listed as other bonuses, and incentives aren't included since I don't have specifics on them or how they're accounted for.

the option bonuses listed in the article are for 2013-2016, which is either a mistake or incentive to work a new deal (at 35?) - i believe it should be 2012-2015, but that's not super important to know in 2009.

Haynesworth contract details:
Signing bonus - $22mill in 2009, $9mill in 2010, $10mill in 2011
Incentives - up to $15mill over the first four years
Option bonuses - $12mill ($3mill in 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016)
Base salary - $6mill in 2009, $3.6 in 2010, $5.4mill in 2011, $6.7mill in 2012, $8.5mill in 2013, $10.3mill in 2014, $11.5mill in 2015


yearly cap hits:
2009 $10.4mill ($6base + 22/5)
2010 $9.8mill ($3.6base + 22/5 + 9/5)
2011 $13.6mill ($5.4base + 22/5 + 9/5 + 10/5)
2012 $15.1mill ($6.7base + 22/5 + 9/5 + 10/5)
2013 $19.9mill ($8.5base + 22/5 + 9/5 + 10/5 + $3 OB)
2014 $17.1mill ($10.3base + 9/5 + 10/5 + $3 OB)
2015 $16.5mill ($11.5base + 10/5 + $3 OB)

release fees:
2009 $41mill (22 + 9 + 10)
2010 $36.6mill (22*4/5 + 9 + 10)
2011 $30.4mill (22*3/5 + 9*4/5 + 10)
2012 $22.2mill (22*2/5 + 9*3/5 + 10*4/5)
2013 $14.0mill (22*1/5 + 9*2/5 + 10*3/5)
2014 $5.8mill (9*1/5 + 10*2/5)
2015 $2.0mill (10*1/5)

the other information i'm not sure on is this contract is sited as having a 26.9mill hit in 2013 (outside the $3 option bonus), but the only way that meshes with the other numbers is if that 10$mill bonus that counts fully against 2013 (but there's no mention of it, and it results in a 110$mill deal vs $100mill).

further info/insight welcome, but this would mean we have 2.4mill less space than projected (2.5more on haynesworth, .1less on dock).. details aren't out on hall...

then the article says we have 11mill of free space, which wouldn't be true with the AH numbers as stated from the NFLPA site, unless he just grabbed it from this thread.

[That Guy]

also, golston had a 2nd round tender - that's 1.5$mill, not $1mill.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The guys i highlighted are worth looking at. Also, there are plenty of guys between 27 and 30 who are worth signing on the cheap.

Pass on Reggie Williams. I mean if you (the general you) think Smith is a moron for not showing up in shape for the combine...

[John Denny]

So when is all of the Boy King's heavy-handed spending going to bite us in the ass? It happened to the 49er's when they were competing with the Cowboys in the late 90's.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by John Denny

So when is all of the Boy King's heavy-handed spending going to bite us in the ***? It happened to the 49er's when they were competing with the Cowboys in the late 90's.

um probably never, cuz he learned their lesson and manages the cap very effectively. The cap does not mean don't spend, like Philly or TB would have you believe, it just means structure the deals so that in any one given year you are not paying everyone big deals. imho

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by That Guy

well, according to your link, which draws numbers directly from NFLPA, AH counts 10.4mill in 2009 (6mill base + 22/5 = 10.4mill), not 7.9, and dockery counts 4mill (3.2base +4/5 = 4.0mill) not 4.1.

yay math/better info:

all signing bonuses are prorated over 5 years, option bonuses are listed as other bonuses, and incentives aren't included since I don't have specifics on them or how they're accounted for.

the option bonuses listed in the article are for 2013-2016, which is either a mistake or incentive to work a new deal (at 35?) - i believe it should be 2012-2015, but that's not super important to know in 2009.

Haynesworth contract details:
Signing bonus - $22mill in 2009, $9mill in 2010, $10mill in 2011
Incentives - up to $15mill over the first four years
Option bonuses - $12mill ($3mill in 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016)
Base salary - $6mill in 2009, $3.6 in 2010, $5.4mill in 2011, $6.7mill in 2012, $8.5mill in 2013, $10.3mill in 2014, $11.5mill in 2015


yearly cap hits:
2009 $10.4mill ($6base + 22/5)
2010 $9.8mill ($3.6base + 22/5 + 9/5)
2011 $13.6mill ($5.4base + 22/5 + 9/5 + 10/5)
2012 $15.1mill ($6.7base + 22/5 + 9/5 + 10/5)
2013 $19.9mill ($8.5base + 22/5 + 9/5 + 10/5 + $3 OB)
2014 $17.1mill ($10.3base + 9/5 + 10/5 + $3 OB)
2015 $16.5mill ($11.5base + 10/5 + $3 OB)

release fees:
2009 $41mill (22 + 9 + 10)
2010 $36.6mill (22*4/5 + 9 + 10)
2011 $30.4mill (22*3/5 + 9*4/5 + 10)
2012 $22.2mill (22*2/5 + 9*3/5 + 10*4/5)
2013 $14.0mill (22*1/5 + 9*2/5 + 10*3/5)
2014 $5.8mill (9*1/5 + 10*2/5)
2015 $2.0mill (10*1/5)

the other information i'm not sure on is this contract is sited as having a 26.9mill hit in 2013 (outside the $3 option bonus), but the only way that meshes with the other numbers is if that 10$mill bonus that counts fully against 2013 (but there's no mention of it, and it results in a 110$mill deal vs $100mill).

further info/insight welcome, but this would mean we have 2.4mill less space than projected (2.5more on haynesworth, .1less on dock).. details aren't out on hall...

then the article says we have 11mill of free space, which wouldn't be true with the AH numbers as stated from the NFLPA site, unless he just grabbed it from this thread.

To clarify on Haynesworth:

My current cap sheets (not yet on the site) have all the correct salaries as per the article and NFLPA (ie $6M). The bonus info is trickier. I have used similar info to the above except I reversed the SB in 2009 and 2010. So I have Haynes getting a $9.5M SB in 2009 and a $22M SB in 2010.

This means he gets $32M in the first 13 months as reported somewhere, and his 2009 cap hit would only be $7.9M as was reported somewhere else. I used the same logic to get to a $5.2M cap hit for Hall ($5M salary plus $1M SB in 2009).

I will go thru the Hogs article more carefully later today but wanted to clarify how I am getting the cap hits for Haynes and Hall.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

um probably never, cuz he learned their lesson and manages the cap very effectively. The cap does not mean don't spend, like Philly or TB would have you believe, it just means structure the deals so that in any one given year you are not paying everyone big deals. imho

we also seem to keep even mid grade guys from hitting the FA market... we've never had an "oh sh*t" offseason like baltimore where they had suggs (franchised), scott, lewis, and a starting safety all out on the market.

[SFREDSKIN]

Looks like our salary cap room is $7Million under.

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[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Looks like our salary cap room is $7Million under.

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This helps explain why we have not seen another round of signings IMO... we probably only have enough to sign one more quality FA so the FO is weighing thru things carefully. Maybe we don't even see anything more till after the draft...