The Real Problem of the Redskins ...

[44ever]

let's just hope Snyder keeps an interest($) in the skins

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That's a really good point. It makes total sense, I just for some reason hadn't thought of it that way.

Again, he will when he wins. Would you at 8-8?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know if a 'massive ego' was ever the problem with Snyder. This is a guy who has been known to avoid the media, rarely give interviews, and be amongst the most highly secretive in the business.

As to his current involvement of the day to day operations of the football team, Vinny Cerrato, on his very own radio show, said that he is contact with Dan Snyder, "many, many, many times throughout the day." I would submit that this is the kind of frequency that is not seen between most general managers and owners.

I'm sure the level of involvement of owners around the league varies greatly. But considering that Snyder and Vinny have more than just a business relationship and are friends, that probably explains the constant contact.

And again, nobody is denying that Snyder is involved. It's the level of involvement that is highly debatable.

[irish]

Originally Posted by 44ever

he will when he wins Matty

!00% correct. Why would he want to crow about the mediocre teams the Skins keep putting on the field?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Again, he will when he wins. Would you at 8-8?

Well, he's up front about his involvement in contract negotations and we all know that some of the deals he's handed out have been "questionable" to say the least. So why is he taking credit for that but not personnel decisions, if he is indeed making them as some say?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well, he's up front about his involvement in contract negotations and we all know that some of the deals he's handed out have been "questionable" to say the least. So why is he taking credit for that but not personnel decisions, if he is indeed making them as some say?

Contract decisions are one thing, evaluating players is totally different. If the player is a bust then he's just signing checks.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Again, he will when he wins. Would you at 8-8?

No, but Jerry Jones hasn't done shit in 12 or 13 seasons, he knows people are super-skeptical of his meddlesome role(s) with the Cowgirls, yet he still publicly flexes his owner/GM/pseudo-head coach muscles every chance he gets.

You don't see any of that from Danny, despite being such a supposed "ego-maniac." I think that was the point Matty was driving at.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am so confused?? Does Snyder defer to Cerrato, but Cerrato is Snyder's Yes man so Snyder must make the call, but he defers to Cerrato.
We have had growing pains with Snyder, but he was is and will be the BOA (best owner available) to the Redskins.

I never used the term "yes man". Maybe Cerrato is, maybe he isn't. Whether Snyder today is as consumed with assembling the roster as he was in 2000 with the Bruce Smith, Jeff George, and Deion acquisitions is anyone's guess.

The fact remains, this partnership, however one chooses to define it's structure or chain of command, has a losing record. And not counting Marty's year, there have been the same two guys at the helm of this ship. As for the 'best owner available', you may be right. But the key word there is 'available'.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by irish

In some ways I think that DS not being afraid to spend $ is counter-productive. IMO if DS was a bit tighter fisted it would "force" the Skins into have to be more focused and rely more on the draft which IMO would provide a stronger foundation for the team.

That's true. Excellent point.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well, he's up front about his involvement in contract negotations and we all know that some of the deals he's handed out have been "questionable" to say the least. So why is he taking credit for that but not personnel decisions, if he is indeed making them as some say?

I don't know it's speculative but, I bet VC will credit him when/if we win. I think we all agree that he ran the show but is conceding somewhat. None of us know how much. We can however deduct his involvement by contrasting 07 to what happens this offseason. If it's the same old then that speeks for itself

[celts32]

The only thing that keeps Snyder from being a great owner is his relationship with Vinny. His unwillingness to fire Vinny and hire a better personel man is what holds the team back. Even Jerry Jones has won when he has had Bill Parcels or Jimmy Johnson next to him helping him be a GM. Snyder has never had that because he sticks with Vinny. Basically...his involvement is not the problem...it's who he's involved with.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GMScud

No, but Jerry Jones hasn't done shit in 12 or 13 seasons, he knows people are super-skeptical of his meddlesome role(s) with the Cowgirls, yet he still publicly flexes his owner/GM/pseudo-head coach muscles every chance he gets.

You don't see any of that from Danny, despite being such a supposed "ego-maniac." I think that was the point Matty was driving at.

Hasnt done shit?! Havent the Girls won a few Super Bowls with him as owner or is my time line off?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm sure the level of involvement of owners around the league varies greatly. But considering that Snyder and Vinny have more than just a business relationship and are friends, that probably explains the constant contact.

And again, nobody is denying that Snyder is involved. It's the level of involvement that is highly debatable.

This is not directed at you, it is more of just a general point.

People who choose to defend Vinny and Danny always want to turn the discussion into a 'level of involvement' and 'we can not tell who made this move or that move. We really cannot tell who is in charge so we can not blame Vinny and Danny.'
But yet we can see by the teams performance on the field in 2008 that this team's FO did not do a "great job".
We have not been a consistent winner under Snyder's ownership. Bottom line that is the measure of the FO. Our FO has not performed well regardless of who is to blame.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by celts32

The only thing that keeps Snyder from being a great owner is his relationship with Vinny. His unwillingness to fire Vinny and hire a better personel man is what holds the team back. Even Jerry Jones has won when he has had Bill Parcels or Jimmy Johnson next to him helping him be a GM. Snyder has never had that because he sticks with Vinny. Basically...his involvement is not the problem...it's who he's involved with.

Great point, kind of. But the argument revolves around Snyders involvment. Parcells or JJ. Would come here because of it. Which adds to the original argument.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is not directed at you, it is more of just a general point.

People who choose to defend Vinny and Danny always want to turn the discussion into a 'level of involvement' and 'we can not tell who made this move or that move. We really cannot tell who is in charge so we can not blame Vinny and Danny.'
But yet we can see by the teams performance on the field in 2008 that this team's FO did not do a "great job".
We have not been a consistent winner under Snyder's ownership. Bottom line that is the measure of the FO. Our FO has not performed well regardless of who is to blame.

I agree. The strange thing is that Skins fans view DS or VC in charge instead of Zorn. In every other NFL city I have lived in the coach is the one who is in charge and the owner/GM are these guys in the background that are rarely ever in the news. When the Skins finally allow the coach to be the one in charge the organizatiion will be better off.