Am I crazy?

[MTK]

I have faith and more importantly I have patience.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Shane

It is not a matter of being stubborn, it is a matter of seeing a bigger picture.

That one sentence sums things up perfectly.

Unforunately in this win now or else society, many people have no idea what the big picture is.

Haven't we learned that quick fixes don't work? We've been trying that approach since 2000 and where has it gotten us? Absolutely nowhere. We've gone though coaches like Larry King goes through wives and our constant roster turnover rivals that of a college team.

I know things are rough right now, but if we can just weather this storm I guarantee you the Washington Redskins will be a better team and organization in the long run. Gibbs is trying to reverse the wrongs of 12 years of inconsistency and indecision and in the process restore an identity to a once proud franchise. He's trying to rebuild the team from the inside out, and that involves fighting through adversity and building trust from the top to the bottom of the franchise. Coming in Gibbs warned this wasn't going to be easy. What surprises me is how many people didn't listen and instead thought Gibbs arrival meant instant success.

Perhaps Bill Parcells first season in Dallas is what raised our expectations to unreasonable levels. On NFL Live last night Golic made a good point and said that last year the Cowboys really overachieved and played a soft schedule. This year we're seeing the real Cowboys.

[Duffman003]

Why are there so many people in love with Tim Hasselback? He's 26 years old and hasn't shown more than Ramsey. Ramsey is the future of the organization and will probably be quarterback by the end of this year or the begininng of next year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

Why are there so many people in love with Tim Hasselback? He's 26 years old and hasn't shown more than Ramsey. Ramsey is the future of the organization and will probably be quarterback by the end of this year or the begininng of next year.

LOL, no idea whatsoever. He's a very average player in my opinion. Everyone always loves the backups though, probably because they haven't had a chance to screw up.

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That one sentence sums things up perfectly.

Unforunately in this win now or else society, many people have no idea what the big picture is.

Haven't we learned that quick fixes don't work? We've been trying that approach since 2000 and where has it gotten us? Absolutely nowhere. We've gone though coaches like Larry King goes through wives and our constant roster turnover rivals that of a college team.

I know things are rough right now, but if we can just weather this storm I guarantee you the Washington Redskins will be a better team and organization in the long run. Gibbs is trying to reverse the wrongs of 12 years of inconsistency and indecision and in the process restore an identity to a once proud franchise. He's trying to rebuild the team from the inside out, and that involves fighting through adversity and building trust from the top to the bottom of the franchise. Coming in Gibbs warned this wasn't going to be easy. What surprises me is how many people didn't listen and instead thought Gibbs arrival meant instant success.

Perhaps Bill Parcells first season in Dallas is what raised our expectations to unreasonable levels. On NFL Live last night Golic made a good point and said that last year the Cowboys really overachieved and played a soft schedule. This year we're seeing the real Cowboys.

VERY, VERY good point Matty. Joe Gibbs is not about the quick fix, we can see that now, he is trying to change the culture of these Dan Snyder era, and that will take time and the perception of being stubborn....

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That one sentence sums things up perfectly.

Unforunately in this win now or else society, many people have no idea what the big picture is.

Haven't we learned that quick fixes don't work? We've been trying that approach since 2000 and where has it gotten us? Absolutely nowhere. We've gone though coaches like Larry King goes through wives and our constant roster turnover rivals that of a college team.

I know things are rough right now, but if we can just weather this storm I guarantee you the Washington Redskins will be a better team and organization in the long run. Gibbs is trying to reverse the wrongs of 12 years of inconsistency and indecision and in the process restore an identity to a once proud franchise. He's trying to rebuild the team from the inside out, and that involves fighting through adversity and building trust from the top to the bottom of the franchise. Coming in Gibbs warned this wasn't going to be easy. What surprises me is how many people didn't listen and instead thought Gibbs arrival meant instant success.

Perhaps Bill Parcells first season in Dallas is what raised our expectations to unreasonable levels. On NFL Live last night Golic made a good point and said that last year the Cowboys really overachieved and played a soft schedule. This year we're seeing the real Cowboys.

VERY, VERY good point Matty. Joe Gibbs is not about the quick fix, we can see that now, he is trying to change the culture of this Dan Snyder era Redskins, and that will take time...Dan did all the wrong things for 5 years and its not going to be fixed in one....

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That one sentence sums things up perfectly.

Unforunately in this win now or else society, many people have no idea what the big picture is.

Haven't we learned that quick fixes don't work? We've been trying that approach since 2000 and where has it gotten us? Absolutely nowhere. We've gone though coaches like Larry King goes through wives and our constant roster turnover rivals that of a college team.

I know things are rough right now, but if we can just weather this storm I guarantee you the Washington Redskins will be a better team and organization in the long run. Gibbs is trying to reverse the wrongs of 12 years of inconsistency and indecision and in the process restore an identity to a once proud franchise. He's trying to rebuild the team from the inside out, and that involves fighting through adversity and building trust from the top to the bottom of the franchise. Coming in Gibbs warned this wasn't going to be easy. What surprises me is how many people didn't listen and instead thought Gibbs arrival meant instant success.

Perhaps Bill Parcells first season in Dallas is what raised our expectations to unreasonable levels. On NFL Live last night Golic made a good point and said that last year the Cowboys really overachieved and played a soft schedule. This year we're seeing the real Cowboys.

I agree with your basic point Matty, and I think under these circumstances its appropriate for Gibbs to be cut some slack. But the problem remains, what's up with the qb situation. And no matter how bad its been, or how unrealistic our expectations were for this year (I still am not convinced they were unrealistic...If we had the offense we should expect with this team, we would be en route to 11-5), or how much work still needs to be done, there remains the inexplicability of playing a qb who is widely understood to be pretty much all washed up. And no amount of superbowl rings or losing seasons in the past makes me able to accept playing Brunell. And that's where the skepticism comes from I think. If we were 3-5 with a mediocre give up defense, but with a stable QB situation, I can guarantee no one would criticize Gibbs.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by gortiz

VERY, VERY good point Matty. Joe Gibbs is not about the quick fix, we can see that now, he is trying to change the culture of this Dan Snyder era Redskins, and that will take time...Dan did all the wrong things for 5 years and its not going to be fixed in one....

One question. If Ramsey is the future, as Gibbs and everyone on this board seems to agree, wouldn't that make Brunell the quick fix?

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

To ask the question, what does Gibbs's see in Brunell that we don't see is a rhetorical question that really doesn't demand an explanation because by now we should all know why Brunell is in the game. With that said, when I you look at Ramsey from a mentally tough standpoint, the same dilemma keeps entering my mind. Turnovers, sacks and more turnovers. Gibbs is not having it and rightfully so. He has patience with the passing game because the offensive line is not consistent along with Brunell. Brunell's best days have passed him by but he does know how to avoid the sack and throw the ball away all too well and that's what Gibbs wants. Another opportunity to run a play. If you look at our time of possession, it's usually equal or above our opponents which means there is some consistency with ball management. I'm patiently waiting for an available veteran QB to become an free agent so this team can return to greatest because Ramsey is nowhere near Rothlisberger.

SUNRA, all those things you say that Brunell does is because he has experience. Ramsey has only started 16 games for his whole career. The jury is still out on him. The only way Ramsey can learn how to avoid sacks, and throw the ball away is to put him in and let him learn. He's not learning much from the sidelines.

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

One question. If Ramsey is the future, as Gibbs and everyone on this board seems to agree, wouldn't that make Brunell the quick fix?

I never looked at the situation like that....BUT...., you can also argue that letting him learn the ropes from a proven vet (remember Ramsey never had a legit qb vet around) even if he is struggling might be Joe's way of letting Pat soak all this in.

I really think that the turnovers and scores against our D would be way up if Ramsey was in there....

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by DragoJT87

I wonder how "mentally tough" Brunell would be if he were handing the ball to Rock Cartwright or if he had only 5 pass blockers. Two different situations, two different outcomes.

Handing the ball has nothing to do with scrambling to avoid the sack. We all know that Ramsey would be starting if he were mobile and didn't hold on to the ball too long. The fact that Brunell's assignment has been to manage the possession with handing off to Portis is not unique when you look at the Giants, Patriots or most of the successful teams. The offensive line will determine Portis's success and avoid stupid penalties. Brunell will stay in the game as long as he doesn't make a barage of mistakes that lose the game. It's not pretty, but that's where we are right now.

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by Shane

Joe Gibbs is a remarkable man. He knows how to lead, he has a wonderful sense of how to motivate people, his intelligence and football acumen is brilliant, his heart sets a shining example of what we are supposed to be like as human beings. We are incredibly fortunate to have Gibbs here

The whole comparison of Gibbs to Spurrier due to the results so far is just such a shallow analysis. Yes, as Doc Walker put it, the cancer has been very deep in Redskin land for many years now, and half a season isn't going to root it all out. But the attitude is totally different and the foundation for the future is being built. You have to think long term here, but I know that is too much to ask of many impatient souls.

Gibbs has stayed with Brunell because he has seen that Brunell isn't the primary source of the problem; he sees the whole situation as a system with a lot of complicated reasons as to why it hasn't been working well, one of them being Brunell's often struggling play. Also, Ramsey has not been ready to play with the new offensive scheme, and is not mobile enough to handle the pass rush that teams have been able to get on us at times. When it is clear that changing to Ramsey is going to give us a better shot to win, Gibbs will change.

It is not a matter of being stubborn, it is a matter of seeing a bigger picture. The lack of clear improvement from Brunell however bodes poorly for him, and I think that if Ramsey has gotten more comfortable, he may play against Philadelphia.

I have faith in Joe Gibbs as being the coach who will create a better spiritual environment than any other in all of professional sports, and that will lead to success on the field without doubt. You can enjoy the road to success and how a successful team is built, or you can demand we win now and keep shuffling the deck like we have for the past 5 or 6 years, and never build anything that lasts.

Great post Shane.