Is Tom Brady the best QB ever?

[scowan]

Career Passer Rating Leaders - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Ok, Brady currently has the 4th best passer rating for a career behind Steve Young, Peyton Manning, and Kurt Warner and has the same number of rings (3) as all 3 of them combined and may pass them in a week. Only Farve and Manning have more TDs of current active QBs, (I don't think anyone will pass Farve), but the key is wins and Brady has a better winning percentage than any other QB out there.

[SFREDSKIN]

Joey T=Best ever

[724Skinsfan]

How many 4th quarter comebacks does he have? Rings and wins are pretty hard to use as the de facto criteria since you need to be on a great team to achieve them. He is great and has been on a very good team that has maintained it's core group of guys from the players to the head coach. When it comes down to it, I would pick Elway as my QB when I have 2 minutes and 90 yards to go. Brady is probably in my top five of that particular sceanrio along with Marino, Montanna and Manning.

[MTK]

My personal top 10 in no particular order, and I'm basing this only on QBs that I have seen play in my lifetime:

Brady
Manning
Montana
Aikman
Elway
Kelly
Favre
Young
Marino
Moon

[wilsowilso]

I was waiting until after the SuperBowl to break out last years Tom Brady thread so GTripp and I could continue the epic debate, but Dynamite Rave has thrown my plans for football argument glory into disarray. Last year we debated the Tom Brady issue at great length and one of the most popular arguments against Brady's standing as an all time great QB was that his regular season stats didn't really match up to someone like Peyton Manning. He of course already has the greatest post season winning percentage of all time so that stat was huge for Brady supporters. Anyhow after the best statistical year a quarterback has ever had and on the verge of a fourth Super Bowl Brady supporters like myself now have a massive stockpile of ammunition.

Brady is the greatest QB in the NFL. He is better than Manning. He is quite possibly the greatest QB and therefore quite possibly best player ever to play in the NFL.
I don't even particularly like the guy, but he is a winning machine and those are just the facts.

Have a look at the old thread if anyone has an hour to burn and is really bored.
http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...ght=Tim+Iceman

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

My personal top 10 in no particular order, and I'm basing this only on QBs that I have seen play in my lifetime:

Brady
Manning
Montana
Aikman
Elway
Kelly
Favre
Young
Marino
Moon

Not a bad list. I might sneak Phil Simms into that top 10. I always thought he was underrated.

And you know who else I liked that never gets much love is Neil Lomax.

[MTK]

I thought about Simms, he's up there. Great mention on Lomax. If he played anywhere else he would have been a household name. Very good QB stuck on a loser team/franchise.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

It's hard to tell. Brady has always been a stud, but he's had a pretty spectacular line that makes him look even better. How many QBs can go to their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th reads and come back to the 1st and 2nd reads without getting pressure. It's insane how much time he has to pick defenses apart.

I am personally going to root for Osi to drill him in the Super Bowl.

[Longtimefan]

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, but the poster asked a question; Is Tom Brady the best ever? Ever being the key word, means when it comes to NFL QB's is Brady the best to ever play his position. In reality, it's an IMPOSSIBLE question to answer. In order to answer that question, one would have to have witnessed every player that played QB, and none of us qualify.

The question is comparable to Jack Johnson who was a bare nuckles fighter, to Muhammad Ali who was more a modern day champion. Based on the response's to the post, maybe the poster would should consider rephrasing his question and ask instead; Is Brady the best we've seen in the last 20-25 yrs....That, in my opinion would be more appropiate than EVER.

[Darrell_Green_28]

NO. SAMMY BAUGH IS.. How many Interceptions has Brady made (not thrown), what is Brady's punt avg? ahh that's what i thought..

[chrisl4064]

bottom line .... yes

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

NO. SAMMY BAUGH IS.. How many Interceptions has Brady made (not thrown), what is Brady's punt avg? ahh that's what i thought..

I beleive tooche is the word that we are all searching for right now

[skinsfan69]

He very well could be the best Qb of all time. Who's done more with less talent around him. His wr's were Deion Brach, Troy Brown, David Patton and David Givens?? C'mon. What has Givens, Patton and Branch done since they left NE? Nothing. Now they put talent around him and he explodes for 50ts's and 8ints. What's most impressive is as much as they throw the ball he only threw 8 picks. That just playing QB at the highest level possible. The only guys I've seen come near this type of QB play is Marino, Kurt Warner for two years, Culpepper for one year, Moon in the run and shoot and Elway. But as great as Elway was, he never put up huge passing stats like Brady has this year. Perhaps it's cause they just didn't throw it as much.

[GTripp0012]

Let's just say I have very strong opinions on this one.

Before this year, you would have been off your rocker if you thought you could even mention Brady with the likes of the all-time greats. Before this year, he hadn't really seperated himself from the Palmer's, Brees', Bulger's, or Hasselbeck's of the world despite playing on some historically great teams, and winning multiple super bowls. It was a joke after the super bowl last year to even compare him to Peyton Manning.

One year later, he's definately got to be in the discussion.

I would say that in terms of great quarterback years, Brady's 2007 ranks third to only Steve Young's 1994, and Dan Marino's 1984 in terms of greatest year ever by a quarterback, and is pretty close to tied with Manning's 2004. (He broke the historic tenth year trend!)

Right now, Brady has yet to prove that 2007 was any more than an uncharacteristically great year for a pretty good quarterback. If he can replicate his numbers this year through the 2008 and 2009 seasons, then I think he should get some serious pull for best quarterback ever.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He very well could be the best Qb of all time. Who's done more with less talent around him. His wr's were Deion Brach, Troy Brown, David Patton and David Givens?? C'mon. What has Givens, Patton and Branch done since they left NE? Nothing. Now they put talent around him and he explodes for 50ts's and 8ints. What's most impressive is as much as they throw the ball he only threw 8 picks. That just playing QB at the highest level possible. The only guys I've seen come near this type of QB play is Marino, Kurt Warner for two years, Culpepper for one year, Moon in the run and shoot and Elway. But as great as Elway was, he never put up huge passing stats like Brady has this year. Perhaps it's cause they just didn't throw it as much.

Marino. Arguably Favre too.

I still rate Manning above him. Though Manning has always had far more to work with, there was always a Grand Canyon sized gap between them prior to this season. This year has gone a long way towards filling that gap.

Then again, if we credit Manning's weapons for his success, we do have to point out that's Brady's weapons this season are perhaps the greatest in history.