Grand Jury Indicts Vick

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

This is from the NY Times:

The men indicted with Vick were Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor. The 18-page indictment alleged that in March 2003, Peace consulted with Vick about a dog that had lost a fight. After Peace and Vick spoke, Peace killed the losing dog by wetting down the animal with water and electrocuting it. In April of this year, the indictment alleged that Peace, Phillips and Vick killed about eight dogs who did not perform well in testing sessions.

This puts Vick right in the heart of it.

I hope PETA has protests at every game/practice/autograph signing/etc he goes too.

Remember, he was charged with 'creating mayhem' at a bowling alley before he was even in college.

Quality guy.

The bowling alley fight was not Vick it was Alvin Iverson. He started a fight which had him throwing chairs around and he was convicted and thrown in jail. Then Virginia's governor Doug Wilder gave him a pardon to get him out of jail so he could either play college basketball or go to the pros.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I was talking about the stupid story about him breaking a dog's back. Your mind is already made up (based on zero factual knowledge by the way) so it isn't even worth discussing with you.

Like I said before. Is anyone considering the source? I am sure the people who are going to testify are upstanding members of society who just felt like doing a good deed by giving up information on him.

"Government of the people for the people by the people" We aren't the government? Sit on granddad's knee so I can help you find a clue.

First of all, who's mind is made up? According to you, there is "zero" chance Vick gets convicted for this. Exactly what "factual knowledge" do you have about this case that we don't that makes you so sure?

Second, people have been convicted of far greater crimes with worse witnesses than what the government has lined up here. In an interview on ESPN last night they interviewed an informant who has already assisted the feds in numerous other cases leading to search warrants and convictions.

Third, I'm not sure I understand the point of your quote, as the quote is meant to refer to our democratic system of representative governement (not the court systems), but in any event, the fact that Vick's jury will be comprised of members of the public actually works against your argument that he won't be convicted of these crimes. The fact that we are all horrified by the accusations made against Vick and that we all have the common sense to put two plus two together to figure out what really happened here doesn't bode well for Vick.

I mean come on, there are absolute facts here that just don't add up to a "not-guilty" verdict. Vick comes into money for the first time in his life, immediately sets about buying a property that is unquestionably used for dog fighting based on the condition of the property and the instruments found there, numerous witnesses come forward placing Vick at dog fights, and we're supposed to believe he didn't know what was going on? Give me a break. Please tell me one single fact you've heard that tends to prove his innocence.

Finally, as for the "urban legend", the indictment notes that at least one dog was killed by Vick and company by slamming the dog's body to the ground. You might want to read through the whole indictment before you come to this scumbag's defense.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

First of all, who's mind is made up? According to you, there is "zero" chance Vick gets convicted for this. Exactly what "factual knowledge" do you have about this case that we don't that makes you so sure?

Second, people have been convicted of far greater crimes with worse witnesses than what the government has lined up here. In an interview on ESPN last night they interviewed an informant who has already assisted the feds in numerous other cases leading to search warrants and convictions.

Third, I'm not sure I understand the point of your quote, as the quote is meant to refer to our democratic system of representative governement (not the court systems), but in any event, the fact that Vick's jury will be comprised of members of the public actually works against your argument that he won't be convicted of these crimes. The fact that we are all horrified by the accusations made against Vick and that we all have the common sense to put two plus two together to figure out what really happened here doesn't bode well for Vick.

I mean come on, there are absolute facts here that just don't add up to a "not-guilty" verdict. Vick comes into money for the first time in his life, immediately sets about buying a property that is unquestionably used for dog fighting based on the condition of the property and the instruments found there, numerous witnesses come forward placing Vick at dog fights, and we're supposed to believe he didn't know what was going on? Give me a break. Please tell me one single fact you've heard that tends to prove his innocence.

Finally, as for the "urban legend", the indictment notes that at least one dog was killed by Vick and company by slamming the dog's body to the ground. You might want to read through the whole indictment before you come to this scumbag's defense.

So you know the witnesses? LOL

[gibbsisgod]

http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/vick0717.pdf

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I was talking about the stupid story about him breaking a dog's back. Your mind is already made up (based on zero factual knowledge by the way) so it isn't even worth discussing with you.

The Duke lacrosse players were indicted too. How did that work out?

Like I said before. Is anyone considering the source? I am sure the people who are going to testify are upstanding members of society who just felt like doing a good deed by giving up information on him.

What problems with the law. Oh yeah, the water bottle incident where he wasn't charged with a single thing. Another public opinion case that he lost.

"Government of the people for the people by the people" We aren't the government? Sit on granddad's knee so I can help you find a clue.

A VT alumn?

The guy is in this, and in it DEEP! you would be niave to thing he isn't. Who pays for all this stuff at the house when not a single one of those fools are employed? Who paid for the house when his boys scoped it out and said this would be good. the 18 page document seemed to be pretty specific about a lot of the details. It sounded to me like they have the written proof putting Vick some what involved in this mess. They seem to have 4 witnesses putting Vick at the fights, agreeing to monetary bets, and killing the dogs.
The Duke Lacross thing was a little different. there was no evidence those kids did anything from the get go. All of that was based on what she said - he said crap. And you saw what happened to that prosecutor! I believe the Feds took their time gathering the evidence. They obviously have some pretty definative proof of Vicks involvement.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So you know the witnesses? LOL

Not personally. From what I've read in the indictment and seen on the ESPN interviews, however, I'd feel pretty good as the federal prosecutor taking this one to trial. It's not like these witnesses are death row inmates or convicts. One witness is an informant for the feds.....pretty solid there. Another sold pit bulls to Vick. Another has testified that he fought Vick's dogs and WON $23,000 from him, (so much for that theory that the witness is probably just someone who lost everything on the wrong dog). Another witness fought Vick's dog and WON a $7,000 purse and $4,000 side bet with Vick. In fact, if you read through the whole indictment, Vick is overall about as piss poor at breeding and fighting pit bulls as he is at being and NFL QB.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

A VT alumn?

The guy is in this, and in it DEEP! you would be niave to thing he isn't. Who pays for all this stuff at the house when not a single one of those fools are employed? Who paid for the house when his boys scoped it out and said this would be good. the 18 page document seemed to be pretty specific about a lot of the details. It sounded to me like they have the written proof putting Vick some what involved in this mess. They seem to have 4 witnesses putting Vick at the fights, agreeing to monetary bets, and killing the dogs.
The Duke Lacross thing was a little different. there was no evidence those kids did anything from the get go. All of that was based on what she said - he said crap. And you saw what happened to that prosecutor! I believe the Feds took their time gathering the evidence. They obviously have some pretty definative proof of Vicks involvement.

Up until a couple of days ago, everybody thought Vick wouldn't be indicted. Hell, The Surry County prosecutor didn't know anything about it until the Feds released the info. I really like how Feds handled this whole thing. The made sure they had all their ducks in a row before playing their hand. I can't imagine in any cicumstances MV getting off from this. If I was on the Jury(and i know I have only read a portion of the prosecutions case so far) I would have a hard time believeing he is not guilty as sin.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/vick0717.pdf

This is a copy of the indictment.
I should have mentioned this when I first posted it.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

The Duke Lacross thing was a little different. there was no evidence those kids did anything from the get go. All of that was based on what she said - he said crap. And you saw what happened to that prosecutor! I believe the Feds took their time gathering the evidence. They obviously have some pretty definative proof of Vicks involvement.

Absolutely. The difference between a federal prosecutor and a local city prosecutor is like the difference between a Honda and a Rolls Royce. The Feds are not going to screw this up, and there is no way they even bother indicting him without some strong evidence. The Feds will be able to expend as much time and resources as they need to prosecute this case.

[Dirty_Landry]

WOW!!! if we can indict vick then.....
can we indict bush on murder charges as well??

[Dirty_Landry]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Absolutely. The difference between a federal prosecutor and a local city prosecutor is like the difference between a Honda and a Rolls Royce. The Feds are not going to screw this up, and there is no way they even bother indicting him without some strong evidence. The Feds will be able to expend as much time and resources as they need to prosecute this case.

i don't believe a word a fed or cia agent says....there all scum

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

This is a copy of the indictment.
I should have mentioned this when I first posted it.

Wow, that looks pretty bad. However, I'm sure a decent defense team can find a way to distance Vick from these guys or make it seem as if Vick were forced into participating or something like that, I don't know. Where's JoeRedskin when you need him?

If that document is true, it doesn't look good for Vick.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Dirty_Landry

i don't believe a word a fed or cia agent says....there all scum

No offense D L but your first 2 post were pretty much meaningless.I hope that isn't a sign of things to come. Nowhere to go but up I guess.


Anyways, welcome! Go skins!

[724Skinsfan]

Just finished reading the indictment. Vick looks fubar'd in this one. I note that he's not listed as killing any dogs. Is this because of possible stiffer sentencing that accompanies such? As long as the witness' stories stick.

What's the over/under for how long before we hear the conviction and follo-up sentencing? I say 18 months before conviction/sentencing.

EDIT: just re-read and at the bottom it says: "In or about April of 2007, Peace, Phillips and Vick executed approximately eight dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging, drowning and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

Yup, FUBAR'd

[skinsWill]

When i was reading the indictment I counted 4 cooperating witnesses. In every case it was first had contact with Vick at or regarding dog fights. He is so screwed, if he wants to see the feild again he will be singing about everything he knows, cooperating with his deal that the feds might offer him.