Theismann made a great point during MNF.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Running is Redskins football. Always has been...

doesnt seem like it anymore. portis should be getting 20-25 carries, instead of the 10-15 he is. i guess saunders doesnt know portis is one of the elite backs in this league

[skins052bgr8]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i've never thought brunell was the guy at any moment at any point in time.....quote me on that. Brunell is the reason we couldnt make a superbowl run last year, that is all.

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Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF.
i thought it was a good signing at the time, but then I saw Brunell play for us and I knew right away that he wasnt the guy...............couldnt believe it when gibbs brought him back after that 6-10 season. We've been through this all before when ramsey was his backup (and was better than brunell) any backup of brunell's is better than him.
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Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF.
i thought it was a good signing at the time, but then I saw Brunell play for us and I knew right away that he wasnt the guy...............couldnt believe it when gibbs brought him back after that 6-10 season. We've been through this all before when ramsey was his backup (and was better than brunell) any backup of brunell's is better than him.
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Well played

[skinsfan69]

Bottom line is Gibbs has not adjusted to today's NFL.

[SmootSmack]

Today's NFL defending champion is the Pittsburgh Steelers, who (along with several other teams) have a style that is very similar, if not identical, to Gibbs'

[skinsfan69]

I have to disagree with you. Pittsburgh opened up the offense all through the playoff run.

[SmootSmack]

"Coordinator Ken Whisenhunt, who played for Joe Gibbs for two years as a backup tight end in Washington, could be the next head coach if Cowher leaves. He obviously paid close attention; the offense he runs is a Gibbs-like system that can utilize the power running game and the deep pass with equal success."

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Now I know you and/or someone else will say "deep pass, what deep pass" but this isn't about Brunell or Campbell or Gibbs or Saunders. It's about whether Gibbs' system works. And I think it does. Best examples are in Pitt and Carolina

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Not so much deep pass, just pass more on first down. OR get in shotgun on first down and run. Keep the defense on it's heels. Have you ever seen the Skins in shotgun on 1ST DOWN? Nope. Only on 3rd and long. That is predictable offense. This is what makes Ken W. such a great O-coordinator. He keeps the defense off balance. New England does a great job of this as well. I know they have Brady, but some of the passes he makes, any QB can make. Yes he has talent and sees the field but his 31 year old o-coordinator puts him in good situations to make those plays.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Bottom line is Gibbs has not adjusted to today's NFL.

i dont know if i should reply to this assnine staement. you were probably the same guy lauding coach gibbs after the skins won 5 in a row, and made the playoffs. and kissing his feet after the skins beat tampa in the playoffs. right now, coach gibbs DOES NOT call the plays. and al saunders has been in the nfl forever. i think its more of a case of the offense and the offensive coordinator still feeling each other out( insert joke here)

[Jason72]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, when you have Clinton Portis as your running back and Mark Brunell as your quarterback, you can't afford to be a pass first offense. Brunell can't do that. And Portis is too good to be a complimentary player. The Pats are a good example because they have a couple very good runners, but their offense is still predicated on the pass. However, they have the best or second best quarterback in the NFL. The Skins have Mark Brunell...that's why it's not pass first. That and it's not the philosophy of anyone on the staff, really.

Exactly. In 1986 Jay Schroeder was on fire throwing and so Joe Gibbs threw enough to allow him to reach 4000 yards passing. While Joe might like to run effectively, he has a history of going with what works. If we could chuck it down the field like the Colts then they would do that.

As for Saunders, he says he wants a balance, but most importantly to do whatever the situation calls for at the time.

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Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF.
i thought it was a good signing at the time, but then I saw Brunell play for us and I knew right away that he wasnt the guy...............couldnt believe it when gibbs brought him back after that 6-10 season. We've been through this all before when ramsey was his backup (and was better than brunell) any backup of brunell's is better than him.
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You seem to be pretending you made a point, still never said I liked brunell, try to prove points that are points

[SmootSmack]

You said you thought it was a good signing at the time. Then you said "I never thought Brunell was the guy at any time...quote me on that"

So what did you mean?

[The Zimmermans]

I thought we needed a QB, but I saw him play for the skins and he never showed anything promising. 3 seasons, the entire time ive wanted him benched. the whole point was that during our 10-6 run, I still didnt feel he was capable of winning a superbowl. I like his attitude, he's a standup guy, but hasnt showed the talent and composure that he did in Jacksonville.

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i dont know if i should reply to this assnine staement. you were probably the same guy lauding coach gibbs after the skins won 5 in a row, and made the playoffs. and kissing his feet after the skins beat tampa in the playoffs. right now, coach gibbs DOES NOT call the plays. and al saunders has been in the nfl forever. i think its more of a case of the offense and the offensive coordinator still feeling each other out( insert joke here)

WRONG!!!!!! I was actually about to throw my remote through the screen during the Tampa game. That was one of the most awful game plans I have ever seen. How can an NFL playoff team have 41 yards passing? Brunell takes some of that but the play calling needed to be more aggresive. If you can remember the offense played HORRIBLE during that 5 game stretch in some of those games and needed the defense to pull it out. Yes the offese played well against Dallas and NY but remember Arizona, Philly and St louis? Plus two awful playff games???? Do you have a clue what your talking about? That is why he brough in Sanders becasue his offense stunk when it mattered the most. Yes Gibbs does not call the plays but I'm sure he has his prints all over the game plan. I don't EVER remembering Saunders running this type of offense in KC. Brunell can make passes down the field. It just needs to be when the defense isn't expecting it. MORE PASSES ON 1ST DOWN.

[The Zimmermans]

Saunders is a smart guy, he realizes that brunell has a tough time goin down field, and he's immobile in the pocket. So he figured to go to our strengths, get the ball out of mark's hands fast, and get it in the hands of our speedy, dangerous backs and receivers. However, when saunders attempts to keep the defense on its heels with occasional deep balls, mark checks down, gets sacked, or throws the ball out of bounds, making these short plays predictable and inneffective in the end. Saunders is just trying to cater to what we have. He does run the ball a lot, just not when we are down by 2 scores, naturally.