What Is Wrong With Jansen?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

This thread has been officially jacked.

But, I'll weigh in anyways. I'm going to sound like a politician, but I think both sides have good arguments here. I think we do have so many weapons on offense that some or all of them will be underutilized. On the other hand, I think we may be able to exploit our weapons to a greater extent. The defense could help to exploit our weapons by getting our offense onto the field and the offense could help to exploit our weapons by producing more yards once they get there.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

thats a terrible argument. all the offenses you mentioned that were 'better' than us had more than 2 offensive weapons. you telling me Randle El isn't good at YAC?

Peyton Manning had 3 TDs yesterday, none of them to Harrison, all of them to Wayne, his number 2. you may consider Lloyd and ARE only "decent", but then what makes Ladell Betts so great in Brunell's eyes?

Reggie Wayne is better than Randle El and Lloyd in the same way that Manning is better than Brunell...it's not even close. There is rampant report that Snyder wanted Wayne before he resigned with Indy.

Who said Ladell Betts was a great reciever? He's simply the check down. That his role on the play. So if they take away the first and second options, its resonable to assume that Betts is open, and thus you get the check down. It works better with Portis in there as does every other play. When Betts is in, its him. When Portis is in its him.

[illdefined]

ok, ok, we should get rid of all them then (Moss, Lloyd, ARE and Cooley), because they just aren't getting open enough.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

ok, ok, we should get rid of all them then (Moss, Lloyd, ARE and Cooley), because they just aren't getting open enough.

You don't get rid of them. They are what we have. We just have to stop acting like we have this limitless potential with our offense because we made some signings. We have an efficient offense. It's really all I was hoping for.

[dmek25]

look, its really simple. the skins know that their defense isnt playing like the last couple of seasons. so you try to basically outscore the other teams. but thats not going to happen with 5 and 10 yard passes. lets open the damn thing up

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by illdefined

off the top, i'd say he's not partcularly suited to sustained pass protection 5yd play after 5yd play. he likes going forward not backward, he's been saying it forever.

I don't see what's demoralizing about pass protecting for one meaningless 3 yard dumpoff pass after another...that is downright inspiring and anyone should be more than willing to work his ass off for that kind of production.

[Pocket$ $traight]

He is overrated and overpaid like 75% of the team.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You don't get rid of them. They are what we have. We just have to stop acting like we have this limitless potential with our offense because we made some signings. We have an efficient offense. It's really all I was hoping for.

all you were hoping for? wtf, is there a trophy for efficiency i don't know about? now i know you have Mark Brunell on your fantasy team.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

all you were hoping for? wtf, is there a trophy for efficiency i don't know about? now i know you have Mark Brunell on your fantasy team.

I was hoping for, as was the coaching staff in their philosophy, an efficient offense (which hasn't been a problem) to compliment a stingy defense that would finally learn how force turnovers. What we got was an efficient offense with an underachieving defense. You can see what the problem is, and its not MB. Any changes to the offense would come with a necessary change in philsophy. The easiest solution would be to have the front 7 return to last year's form. And that's really ALL we can hope for if we want to resurrect this year.

Mark Brunell is not on my fantasy team, just the team that I fantasize about. :tongue

Good argument though?