Are 21 and 31 over-rated?

FRPLG · 10-11-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick.

Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer.

100%. I have never understood the Williams fascination. He can hit pretty decent but there are numerous hard hitting safeties. Hell Arch is considered a hard hitting safety who can't cover and we got killed for signing him. Think we would have gotten killed if we had signed Roy WIlliams like that? I highly doubt it. Is Madden behind this? He seems to be the biggest proliferator of over-hype in the league.

hesscl34 · 10-11-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think this is right. Taylor seems to be basically trying to contribute everywhere on D and is simply spread thin. If he could be free to roam like he was the last two years he'd be cracking skulls and picking passes all over. Now he is basically the fall back at every position in the secondary and supports all the LBs. The guy is a beast simpyl because he hasn't really looked too crappy in doing it. Imagine what our D would be without him. Jeez..scary to think about.

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TheBigD · 10-11-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick.

Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer.

I did say at the very beginning that this wasn't a comparision. I am sure that Dallas fans would say the exact opposite thing.

The reality is, both are giving up plays. I mean against the Gimps, the two deep passes should have been intercepted for the length of time it stayed up in the air. Later that Sunday, Williams should have intercepted the ball when I think Brown scored a TD.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-11-2006, 04:53 PM

I don't think that Taylor is overrated because he's just now building his reputation. Williams has had his, and like was stated as above, he's still living off of it while not performing like it.

JWsleep · 10-11-2006, 04:55 PM

Also, I think RW is only going to get worse, while Taylor will improve as he learns more about how to play the NFL game. So the upside is all with Taylor, IMO. But both have been beaten this year in coverage, no doubt.

illdefined · 10-11-2006, 04:55 PM

Taylor has stripped two players of the ball on the way DOWN from a tackle. his reflexes and presence of mind are astonishing. he just can't do it alone.

mooby · 10-11-2006, 04:58 PM

Taylor is just trying to compensate for all the injuries and players leaving that our secondary has had. IMO, the really overrated one is Archuleta, i've seen him give up at least two big pass plays a game since we've got him, and he hasn't made many positive plays yet. He is nowhere near worth the 31 mil we payed for him.

hesscl34 · 10-11-2006, 05:05 PM

I agree about Archuleta.... he misses A LOT.

724Skinsfan · 10-11-2006, 05:11 PM

Taylor isn't over-rated, yet. He needs to get voted for the Pro Bowl year-in and year-out despite his lackluster performance. And any primetime game that he appears in must have 75% dialogue from the commentators dedicated to him.

GhettoDogAllStars · 10-11-2006, 05:14 PM

like SouperMeister said, if ST had ware, spears, et al. he'd be in the HOF already

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-11-2006, 05:17 PM

Ware is alright, but Spears hasn't done anything yet.

Daseal · 10-11-2006, 05:55 PM

I don't know much about Roy Williams as far as a player. From what I have seen he's like a linebacker playing safety. He's great vs the run, liability vs the pass.

Taylors biggest problem is biting on play fakes. That, and often times if he sees the play breaking down on one side he tries to get to the ball, gets there a step late, and the play looks like it's on him when it may not be.

RiggoRules · 10-11-2006, 06:19 PM

As far as Ken Schrader in the #21 Air Force car goes, not over-rated, just over the hill.

Jeff Burton and the RCR Cingular #31 team are an entirely different story. Highly under-rated. Not only is Jeff leading the Chase, he'll bring home the hardware.

Jeff Burton and the RCR Cingular #31 team are an entirely different story. Highly under-rated. Not only is Jeff leading the chase, he'll bring home the hardware.

Oh yeah, and as far as Joe Gibbs Racing goes, the driver of the #20 is a big fat cry baby. #11, Denny Hamlin on the other hand is going to be a super star. Unlike Stewart, a real class act.

#56fanatic · 10-11-2006, 06:34 PM

I dont think you can compare those two players. Sean is better now than Williams was at this time in his career. Williams does not posess the cover skills Sean has. He doesn't have the speed, and doesn't cover near the amount of ground Sean can. In my eyes, Taylor is top 2 or 3 safeties in the league. Williams is on the way down and goes to probowls by his name only.

hooskins · 10-11-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RiggoRules

As far as Ken Schrader in the #21 Air Force car goes, not over-rated, just over the hill.

Jeff Burton and the RCR Cingular #31 team are an entirely different story. Highly under-rated. Not only is Jeff leading the Chase, he'll bring home the hardware.

Jeff Burton and the RCR Cingular #31 team are an entirely different story. Highly under-rated. Not only is Jeff leading the chase, he'll bring home the hardware.

Oh yeah, and as far as Joe Gibbs Racing goes, the driver of the #20 is a big fat cry baby. #11, Denny Hamlin on the other hand is going to be a super star. Unlike Stewart, a real class act.

10-11-2006, 04:53 PM	#19
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? I don't think that Taylor is overrated because he's just now building his reputation. Williams has had his, and like was stated as above, he's still living off of it while not performing like it. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-11-2006, 04:58 PM	#22
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,446	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Taylor is just trying to compensate for all the injuries and players leaving that our secondary has had. IMO, the really overrated one is Archuleta, i've seen him give up at least two big pass plays a game since we've got him, and he hasn't made many positive plays yet. He is nowhere near worth the 31 mil we payed for him. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

10-11-2006, 05:05 PM	#23
hesscl34 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 2,782	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? I agree about Archuleta.... he misses A LOT.

10-11-2006, 05:11 PM	#24
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Taylor isn't over-rated, yet. He needs to get voted for the Pro Bowl year-in and year-out despite his lackluster performance. And any primetime game that he appears in must have 75% dialogue from the commentators dedicated to him. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

10-11-2006, 05:14 PM	#25
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 42 Posts: 2,762	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? like SouperMeister said, if ST had ware, spears, et al. he'd be in the HOF already __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

10-11-2006, 04:55 PM	#20
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Also, I think RW is only going to get worse, while Taylor will improve as he learns more about how to play the NFL game. So the upside is all with Taylor, IMO. But both have been beaten this year in coverage, no doubt. __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-11-2006, 04:55 PM	#21
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Taylor has stripped two players of the ball on the way DOWN from a tackle. his reflexes and presence of mind are astonishing. he just can't do it alone. __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

10-11-2006, 05:17 PM	#26
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Ware is alright, but Spears hasn't done anything yet. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-11-2006, 05:55 PM	#27
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? I don't know much about Roy Williams as far as a player. From what I have seen he's like a linebacker playing safety. He's great vs the run, liability vs the pass. Taylors biggest problem is biting on play fakes. That, and often times if he sees the play breaking down on one side he tries to get to the ball, gets there a step late, and the play looks like it's on him when it may not be. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

10-11-2006, 06:19 PM	#28
RiggoRules Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 380	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? As far as Ken Schrader in the #21 Air Force car goes, not over-rated, just over the hill. Jeff Burton and the RCR Cingular #31 team are an entirely different story. Highly under-rated. Not only is Jeff leading the Chase, he'll bring home the hardware. Jeff Burton and the RCR Cingular #31 team are an entirely different story. Highly under-rated. Not only is Jeff leading the chase, he'll bring home the hardware. Oh yeah, and as far as Joe Gibbs Racing goes, the driver of the #20 is a big fat cry baby. #11, Denny Hamlin on the other hand is going to be a super star. Unlike Stewart, a real class act. __________________ *"Lighten up, Sandy Baby."*

10-11-2006, 06:34 PM	#29
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 50 Posts: 1,801	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? I dont think you can compare those two players. Sean is better now than Williams was at this time in his career. Williams does not posess the cover skills Sean has. He doesn't have the speed, and doesn't cover near the amount of ground Sean can. In my eyes, Taylor is top 2 or 3 safeties in the league. Williams is on the way down and goes to probowls by his name only.

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