Adam Archuleta

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by illdefined

did Champ need "breaking in" time? didn't he start at no. 1 corner rather quickly? honestly don't remember.

No he was good from the start. I don't think it is ever reasonable to expect that level of production early in a career from any draft pick though. He is a big exception. Especially at the hardest position in football.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

No he was good from the start. I don't think it is ever reasonable to expect that level of production early in a career from any draft pick though. He is a big exception. Especially at the hardest position in football.

yeah thats what i thought. sucks we couldn't win the corner lottery twice.

still, as good as Champ is, he doesn't dress up like this!
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[724Skinsfan]

The 2004 Washington Redskins were 1-2 at this point, as well. How are they any better than our current team?

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

By upside I mean future.

Rogers is in his 2nd year and clearly not ready to be a #1 corner yet which he's been forced into, what do you really expect?? Jeez can we just give the kid some time?

I firmly believe Rogers will be really good! And I thought he played very well against Dallas

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

not to be too contrary but the future is exactly what us "post-Brunell"ers are thinking of when we talk about the upside of Jason Campbell.

back to the subject, the Pierce/Marshall/$ debate could be applied to Ryan Clark and Farce-uleta in reverse. will Arch be $30 mill worth of improvement?

also, what round was Rogers drafted? was something closer to Champ Bailey reasonable to expect?

Campbell isn't playing because Brunell is the better option right now. With Rogers there isn't a better option. Well, Springs of course but he's hurt.

Regarding AA, still too early to tell. Let's give him the season at least to start judging.

Bailey is a special player. Who knows, maybe Rogers can approach his level of play someday, but Bailey coming out of college was ready for primetime. Rogers is still working on getting there.

[mike340]

Both corners we got when we had #28 here developed very quickly and well (Bailey and Smoot.) I don't think this is a coincidence. We need to get him back as a DB coach. The publicity would also help his charity.

As far as comparing Smoot and Rogers, they are both #2 corners, so that part (at least) is comparable. But you can't compare Rogers covering the #1 receiver vs. Smoot covering the #2.

Most of our weaknesses on defense are on pass coverage. I feel that when Springs comes back it will about as much impact as when Portis came back (if not more) on offense. Rogers will be back to his #2. The other guys won't be shading over to Rogers 'cause they won't be worried about him doing his job. And Arch and co. who aren't good in coverage won't have to do it any more (or much), thus freeing them up to do what they do best. Just about everybody's playing suboptimally, since they're trying to adjust to help each other out. To me, it feels like, with Springs, we'll be able to bring an extra defender at the QB on pass plays. That's huge.

So my verdict on Arch and Carter: they've looked (worse than) useless so far, but I'm reserving judgement until after Springs is back.

I also liked Smoot, and he should regret leaving here. After all, I'm sure "love boats" happen here all the time, so if he'd invited some politician on the boat that the incident would never have reached the papers! ;-)

Sorry about this stream-of-consciousness post.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Right. Speaking of Archuleta, I HAVE been hard on him, but I was reading that article about Holdman and he was saying how he took a year in the system to stop "thinking" and just start reacting.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't know how anyone can complain about Pierce when Marshall has filled in and done a fine job at a fraction of the cost.

Smoot just isn't a GW corner, not physical enough. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

As for AA, let's give him more than a few games to pass judgement. This is ridiculous.

are you kidding me? our best LB lineup was washington-pierce-marshall by far. right now warrick holdman is in the lineup instead of pierce, and that sucks. Smoot may not be a GW corner, but he is a lot better than rogers at this point (and he also put on a lot of weight this offseason).

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by That Guy

are you kidding me? our best LB lineup was washington-pierce-marshall by far. right now warrick holdman is in the lineup instead of pierce, and that sucks. Smoot may not be a GW corner, but he is a lot better than rogers at this point (and he also put on a lot of weight this offseason).

Holdman was never MLB

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

are you kidding me? our best LB lineup was washington-pierce-marshall by far. right now warrick holdman is in the lineup instead of pierce, and that sucks. Smoot may not be a GW corner, but he is a lot better than rogers at this point (and he also put on a lot of weight this offseason).

Not sure what you're talking about.

Holdman is playing in Arrington's old spot and playing very well right now to boot.

[That Guy]

i understand holdman isn't an MLB, but when pierce was here, marshall played OLB much better than holdman, and because pierce is gone, holdman is starting.

and while he might have decent stats so far, this LB line up isn't nearly as good as the one we had two years ago. I didn't think that needed to be articulated in such detail, but i was wrong and i apologize.

[REDSKIN2]

I think the Redskins signed Adam Archuleta to a high price tag and let Ryan Clark and Walt Harris (who has been solid in SF) go for one main reason. I think at the end of last year they were not too sure if Taylor was going to come out of that entire legal situation without jail time, so they felt pressured into signing Archuleta as a back up plan and paid him way too much. They felt comfortable in Springs and Rogers and unfortunately Springs got hurt and Rogers was forced into a #1 role that he wasn't ready for and may never be. Add to this situation Pierson P blowing his knee out making a bad situation worse.

[MTK]

Williams has stated that he had his eye on Arch for a long time.

I know it might be hard to believe, but he just might pan out if we give him more than a few games to show his stuff.

Williams tends to know what he's doing when it comes to picking his players. The benefit of the doubt has to go his way.

[724Skinsfan]

You are dead wrong Matty! All players acquired by FA in the past have either stepped from day one or were busts. There is simply no adjustment period at all, period. If you're not playing good at the beginning then you NEVER will. That's one of the few guarantees in life.









(please don't ban me)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

You are dead wrong Matty! All players acquired by FA in the past have either stepped from day one or were busts. There is simply no adjustment period at all, period. If you're not playing good at the beginning then you NEVER will. That's one of the few guarantees in life.

So I guess we should just cut AA and Carter right now?

Hopefully you were being sarcastic. If not, maybe I should ban you.