Art Monk vs Michael Irvin

[gibbsisgod]

i have said it before and i will say it again.
monk will get in when darrel green gets in.i think green is a first ballot hofer and monk will get inducted that same year! that will be a great day my fellow skins fans and then we will all get our chance to colectively tell king to suck it!

[gusbus]

Here are some quotes I found that tell it all: "Monk's most noteworthy NFL accomplishment was his record for career receptions (940), broken by Jerry Rice during the final week of 1995, Monk's last season in the league. Despite being the first to eclipse 900 receptions, as well as retiring with the single season receptions record (106) and the most consecutive games with a catch (183)"..."Monk has more receptions than any receiver currently in the Hall of Fame, and has more receptions than Hall of Famers Lynn Swann and John Stallworth combined. His statistics are similar to those of James Lofton, a 2003 inductee"..."former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Michael Irvin is often referred to as a "future Hall of Famer" on the air by his broadcasting contemporaries, yet he has fewer touchdowns, yards, and receptions (190 fewer) than Monk"...And finally "An interesting note is that from the modern era, there are 24 running backs in the Hall of Fame, 23 quarterbacks, but only 17 wide receivers. Monk was named the 91st best football player of all time by the Sporting News, ranking him behind only 8 receivers."
Courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Monk

I wish Art Monk could run into Peter King in an Alley somewhere...

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by gusbus

I wish Art Monk could run into Peter King in an Alley somewhere...

Being the classy guy he is, Art would simply say hello and go his own way.

Now, If I, and a few others from this site, ran into King in an alley ....

[gusbus]

Oh yeah Irvin's QB = Troy Aikman HOF; Monk's QBs = Theismann, Schrader, Williams, Rypien none of whom are HOFs

[Redskins8588]

And even Aikman should not have ben a first ballot HOF either!!!!!!!

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by gusbus

Oh yeah Irvin's QB = Troy Aikman HOF; Monk's QBs = Theismann, Schrader, Williams, Rypien none of whom are HOFs

Good point...

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

And even Aikman should not have ben a first ballot HOF either!!!!!!!

I'm gonna have disagree with you redskins8288. As much as I hate to admit it....Aikman deserved to be a first ballot HOFamer.

Still though, Monk should've been inducted years ago....

[Redskins8588]

Why? I am not saying that Aikman should not have ben a first ballot HOF just because he was a cowboy, I am saying it because look at the talent that he had with him and then look at his stats. He is lucky to break the top 15 in each major QB stat catagory.

Out of Passing Completion, Passint TD's, and Passing Yards, Aikman only breaks the top 20 in Passing Completion where he is ranked #12 with 2,898. In the other catagories he is non-existant in the top 20. Now that is HOF worthy?

[Redskins8588]

oh and here is my link for my info...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltim...s?cat=complete

[Redskins8588]

Redskins P, I will give credit where credit is due and I just dont think that Aikmans career justifies him being a first ballot HOF. Just like when Steve Young was a first ballot HOF, I did not agree with that also, they were first ballot HOF'ers because of the talent that they had around them, IMO. I remember argueing about this with Matty when Young was selected. I do however agree with them selecting Warren Moon, he is ranked atleast 4th or 5th on the big 3 QB stats and he did it with just about no one helping him...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Redskins P, I will give credit where credit is due and I just dont think that Aikmans career justifies him being a first ballot HOF. Just like when Steve Young was a first ballot HOF, I did not agree with that also, they were first ballot HOF'ers because of the talent that they had around them, IMO. I remember argueing about this with Matty when Young was selected. I do however agree with them selecting Warren Moon, he is ranked atleast 4th or 5th on the big 3 QB stats and he did it with just about no one helping him...

Young is easily one of the 5 best of all time. Aikman isn't in the top 15, and top 20 is pushing it.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Young is easily one of the 5 best of all time. Aikman isn't in the top 15, and top 20 is pushing it.

I still am not sold on Young, I can see how some may believe him to be a top QB but I just dont buy it. Esp. not one of the 5 best all time....

[offiss]

I wonder how many Wr's in the HOF played with HOF QB's? That may also shed some light on their success compartiably to Monk. Jerry Rice played with 2, Ervin played with 1, how bout someone do a breakdown on that one, Tafkas you may be useful in this area.

[dmek25]

i might have to agree with gtripp on young.one of the best in our lifetime, and maybe....top 5 of all time. if stats are the measuring stick then no way does aikman get in

[Redskins8588]

So you are putting Young ahead of Elway, Marino, Favre, Moon, Montana, Tarkenton, Johnny Unitas, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, and hell even Peyton Manning is ahead of Young in yards, TD's, and completions. I just dont see why everyone is sold on Young, yeah he was good but not top 5, IMO...