Darrell Green... first ballot hof?

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

If 81 is not a first ballot HOFer, then no way should 28 be one. I like him and all, but no way is Darrell Green more deserving than Art Monk.

Are you out of your f-ing mind? Green was a 7 time pro-bowler and is the original shut down corner. Not to mention he was huge returning punts.

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

yeah I agree with this list also even thought I really believe if Carter and Brown are up there like it or not M.Irvin should be there also he's a top 10 wr we're talking of production not off field issues he change the game in his time and the way CB should be.

If it was forming a sentence, I would take Taylor Jacobs over Irvin but he was nasty in his prime.

[D'BOYZ]

Irvin put up his numbers over a shorter time span, and he has the rings, which definitely count for something. So I don't mean to discount Irvin altogether. Irvin is definitely in my top 15 (so is Monk). If stats told the whole tale, I'd be ranking Carter and Brown as 2nd and 3rd all time, but like Irvin, they come from an era in which passing was all the rage. It's just that Irvin, Carter, and Brown all came from the same era. They were all great, but the numbers put Carter and Brown just a bit ahead of Irvin for me.

You said that you don't base your ranking just on stats but at the end you say that numbers is what pushed Carter and brown ahead of Irvin. Also as you said Irvin acomplished those numbers in less time that's pretty impresive whats even more impressive is that he did it in a run offense, not a passing 1 like Minnesota and Oakland/LA.

He changed they way CB's had to play the game and also how they had to be built like Moss also has in this time for me that's a top WR and I'm not saying this because I'm a Cowboy, it's just based on what the athlete brought to the game.

Like I've said Green should and will be a first baloot HOF he is 1 of the best CB's ever to play the game and it's defenetly in my top 10 All time.
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[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Are you out of your f-ing mind? Green was a 7 time pro-bowler and is the original shut down corner. Not to mention he was huge returning punts.

No I'm not, but thanks for the concern.

My post was more of a testament to what has happened to Art Monk (who held several *meaningful* records either during his career or at retirement) than it was to whether or not 28 should be a first ballot HOFer.

In a perfect world, they both should be HOFers, but we've all seen what has happened to Art Monk, and if it happened to him, then it is not outside the realm of reality to think it could also happen to DGreen.

[memphisskin]

Darrell Green is a 1st ballot HOFer if I've ever seen one. He played at a very high level for most of his career and he has created several lasting memories. Maybe that's why the HOF can be viewed as a popularity contest, I mean Lynn Swann got in solely because of a couple of circus catches that just so happened to be in the Super Bowl. I can still see DG hurdling that Bear on a punt return and running into the end zone holding his rib.

Monk was fantastic for us, moved the chains, made the tough catch in traffic, did his thing every game, and was even the career leader in receptions and consecutive games with a catch when he retired and even was the first wideout to break 100 catches in a season. He is without a doubt among the best Redskins to ever wear the uniform, however when you think of Monk you think of a possession receiver. Yet in 4 more seasons he only caught 3 more tds than Irvin. I don't see Monk getting in unless the veterans bring him in.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

You said that you don't base your ranking just on stats but at the end you say that numbers is what pushed Carter and brown ahead of Irvin. Also as you said Irvin acomplished those numbers in less time that's pretty impresive whats even more impressive is that he did it in a run offense, not a passing 1 like Minnesota and Oakland/LA.

He changed they way CB's had to play the game and also how they had to be built like Moss also has in this time for me that's a top WR and I'm not saying this because I'm a Cowboy, it's just based on what the athlete brought to the game.

Like I've said Green should and will be a first baloot HOF he is 1 of the best CB's ever to play the game and it's defenetly in my top 10 All time.
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if by "change the game" you mean "master the art of pushing off without getting called for it" than yeah, you're right.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

You said that you don't base your ranking just on stats but at the end you say that numbers is what pushed Carter and brown ahead of Irvin. Also as you said Irvin acomplished those numbers in less time that's pretty impresive whats even more impressive is that he did it in a run offense, not a passing 1 like Minnesota and Oakland/LA.

He changed they way CB's had to play the game and also how they had to be built like Moss also has in this time for me that's a top WR and I'm not saying this because I'm a Cowboy, it's just based on what the athlete brought to the game.

Like I've said Green should and will be a first baloot HOF he is 1 of the best CB's ever to play the game and it's defenetly in my top 10 All time.
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Yeah I think you missed my point. I was saying that by the numbers, Irvin shouldn't even sniff the top 20. But since he didn't play all that long, he should be higher than his numbers suggest.

On the contrary, by the numbers Brown and Carter should be ranked 2nd and 3rd. But they played so long, and played in a passing era. So I had to bump them down to the bottom of the top 10. But not lower than Irvin, after all, those numbers are sick.

In the end, Brown and Carter get the nod for me.

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I would be surprised if he went in the first year of eligibility. He is a remarkable athlete and a great corner. But, there may be other people that they are looking at that have been on the list for many more years. Deon will probably be a 1st ballot. I hate the guy, but he did make the corner position what it is today. He was the best in his prime. I dont remember teams completely avoiding D. Greens side of the field as much as Deon, or even Champ. I hope he goes his first year, but with the writers voting, not the players, its hard to say.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I would be surprised if he went in the first year of eligibility. He is a remarkable athlete and a great corner. But, there may be other people that they are looking at that have been on the list for many more years. Deon will probably be a 1st ballot. I hate the guy, but he did make the corner position what it is today. He was the best in his prime. I dont remember teams completely avoiding D. Greens side of the field as much as Deon, or even Champ. I hope he goes his first year, but with the writers voting, not the players, its hard to say.

Deon has 2 waith 4 more years to be eligible Green will get in if Moon and Young are first balloot HOF Green defenetly is.