With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Agree makes sense for chiefs but even imo they paid a steep price. Zeus Jr grades out much better at right than left. That being said he will still be a top ten LT probably and that will make a world of difference

Chiefs obviously made the calculation that no T available at 31 was better than him, and that he could play LT.

Steep is all relative. How ridiculous is it to have an $80M G but no LT? Just ask us if our FO is dumb enough to pay Scherff. What's the price, the cost, of some rusher blowing by the edge and bending Mahome's knee 90 degrees wrong way? Exhibit A again Andrew Luck. Mahomes took an absolute beating. You've then killed the golden goose, and are paying a guy $40M on IR. They are a legit SB contender save OL. Look how hard it is to find a legit franchise QB, and they've got one of top three for sure, some would say the best. Nothing is harder to find than a franchise QB. Not any position in all of sports. You have one, young in his prime, then protecting him should be priority 1,2,3,4,5 and 6.

Chiefs got Brown, 2nd, 6th, gave up #31,3rd,4th,5th. So they gave up first #31, moved up a round with 3rd, moved down a round with 5th, plus gave up another 4th. Keeping it simple, they gave up #31 and a 4th, plus got a little add'l value converting 3rd to 2nd. I'm going to assume Andy Reid and his scouting team, who have built a SB roster from ground zero starting with nothing, know what they are doing in believing Brown can play LT. So is the second to the last pick in the 1st round and a 4th worth filling the third highest leverage position on the roster, LT, with a young long term starter, to keep Mahomes from becoming battered-boy Luck 2.0. You bet your ass it is, without hesitation.

Plus, the Chiefs work the comp formula, had 2 comp picks, 4th and 5th, so still have 6 picks, including 2 2nd rounders, and made up loss of 4th. Not like they are adding no talent this year, and you could argue that they actually traded their 1st for 2nd, moved down with a 5th, and gave up a 3rd and a 4th. So would you trade down from 31 to 58, 27 spots, 1 round down essentially, plus a 3rd and 4th, to lock up 3rd highest leverage position on roster with young long term starter, and keep Patrick freaking Mahomes healthy? You bet your ass, and those comp picks make a big difference. Chiefs hardly traded the farm. I could see Chiefs trading back with one of 2nds as well.

This same move doesn't make sense for us. It is a cold business, but Fitz-Average bending his knee back 90 degrees the wrong way is not cataclysmic as with Mahomes. We have no franchise QB and are not a SB contender, so we should be keeping our picks and trying to draft a LT, and have him 5 years on a rookie deal.

[skinsfaninok]

The favorite is OL but I don't think that's a huge issue right now.. I'm still hoping for LB / S

[AnonEmouse]

Only way I see that deal being bad for the Chiefs is is Brown can't be extended/re-signed. I doubt that happens as a) they already have to have had that in mind in doing the deal and b) what LT walks away from the potential to be the guy who helped build Mahomes career? He could be the #1 QB for the next 10+ years and that likely means more rings etc.

And if he was there, I'd take Parsons at #19. With all the red flags, has he done anything so egregious that he would warrant suspension etc.? Was it immaturity or an attitude problem that is likely to resurface? Seems more the former.

Put it this way, we took Sean Taylor, warts and all, and he grew up and got his sh1t together after some red flags and bad conduct. I'd take him all over again knowing what he could deliver on the field and how he matured in doing that. Form what I read, Parsons looks like he's of a similar nature.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The favorite is OL but I don't think that's a huge issue right now.. I'm still hoping for LB / S

It will be an issue very soon. After 2021, Scherff not under contract. Cornelius Lucas not under contract.

After 2022, Morgan Moses not under contract.

Unless you want to be stuck overpaying in free agency for mediocre line play, drafting that position needs to be on our minds. We have to look at 'needs' through the lens of a 4 year horizon, not just one year.

If they can come up with a bonafide LT prospect it's real hard to pass that up. Lucas should be our new Ty Nsekhe, real good swing tackle who can start some games admirably if need be. If he's our starter and our depth is David Sharpe, Geron Christian and Saahdiq Charles, woof.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It will be an issue very soon. After 2021, Scherff not under contract. Cornelius Lucas not under contract.

After 2022, Morgan Moses not under contract.

Unless you want to be stuck overpaying in free agency for mediocre line play, drafting that position needs to be on our minds. We have to look at 'needs' through the lens of a 4 year horizon, not just one year.

If they can come up with a bonafide LT prospect it's real hard to pass that up. Lucas should be our new Ty Nsekhe, real good swing tackle who can start some games admirably if need be. If he's our starter and our depth is David Sharpe, Geron Christian and Saahdiq Charles, woof.

Yeah I forgot about Charles lol, I like Derrisaw and wouldn't be mad at all there. We just need a LB bad

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The favorite is OL but I don't think that's a huge issue right now.. I'm still hoping for LB / S

I think it is an immensely huge issue, and one injury away from being a catastrophic issue. Keeping the quarterback upright and giving the wr’s time is sooooo important. I love a couple of the LB’s that could be there at 19 and it is a hole, but our defense has shown it can still win games with the current roster. Our offense... not so much. Whether it is Fitz or the quarterback of the future - we need to protect him at all costs. I think this is a situation where you absolutely go need over bpa.

[Chico23231]

I really think the name to watch at 19 is Alijah Vera-Tucker. I really think Darisaw won’t be there.

The thing Keim has constantly stated, Ron wants to strengthen the oline and Tackle is priority. Vera-Tucker also has versatility playing well at both Tackle and Guard.

I like where we are with depth and competition but I think we shouldn’t pass up BPA if we are up and oline is there.

I also think Charles is a big unknown and could be impact for us

[AnonEmouse]

Given the reported depth in OL in this draft, notably at T, I'd say you still go BPA if the BPA is something of a need. If Parsons or Lance were still there, for example, you'd be reaching unless it was one of the best 2-3 LT's on the board.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Given the reported depth in OL in this draft, notably at T, I'd say you still go BPA if the BPA is something of a need. If Parsons or Lance were still there, for example, you'd be reaching unless it was one of the best 2-3 LT's on the board.

That's where I'm at as well. The OL is stacked this class and unless its a Trent Williams like T (Sewell) I would go LB first rd but I guess we'll see soon enough

[Chief X_Phackter]

I doubt Darrisaw is there too.

There's basically one LT that is projected to be that plug and play "franchise" LT right away - Sewell. Darrisaw may fit the bill, but his reviews are mixed. Same with Slater; some think he's better suited to be a guard in the NFL. Picking a LT at #19 might not even be smart from a value perspective. You could likely get the same quality LT at #19 as you could through the entire 2nd round. From what I understand there isn't a whole lot separating the likes of Mayfield, Jenkins, Radunz, Little, Brown, Christensen, Leatherwood, Cosmi, Eichenberg...

This team is not desperate for O-linemen, but if O-line is the pick, Vera-Tucker would be a solid pick if he's there.

All that said, if the BPA at #19 is the best free safety or a LB, that would be my preference. Take another step towards making this defense elite, because DAL and NYG are going to have some weapons to contend with this year.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Given the reported depth in OL in this draft, notably at T, I'd say you still go BPA if the BPA is something of a need. If Parsons or Lance were still there, for example, you'd be reaching unless it was one of the best 2-3 LT's on the board.

Quarterback is the only one i would go bpa but there is no way Lance is there at 19. No way. I just cant pass up a real solid (maybe great) OT for a LB. Simply because our D as an overall unit is capable of winning games. Our offense is not.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Quarterback is the only one i would go bpa but there is no way Lance is there at 19. No way. I just cant pass up a real solid (maybe great) OT for a LB. Simply because our D as an overall unit is capable of winning games. Our offense is not.

The latest rumor is NE is willing to move up to Lance or Fields..

I agree, no shot Lance is at 19 and if he somehow does or Fields, you run up as fast as u can and take them

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Quarterback is the only one i would go bpa but there is no way Lance is there at 19. No way. I just cant pass up a real solid (maybe great) OT for a LB. Simply because our D as an overall unit is capable of winning games. Our offense is not.

I think the offense will be capable of winning games this year.

If they had scored one more TD, or two more FGs per game last season, they would have been a top 10 scoring offense, and the O-line was ranked #6. As is, with the additions already made this offseason, and Gibson healthy, they will be much harder to defend. No statue at QB, and a true threat opposite McLaurin. Imagine having a top 10 scoring offense, coupled with an even better defense. This team will do some damage.

I just don't think that the LT available at 19 will have as big an impact this year as the best defender (LB or FS) that is there.

They do need to address the O-line this year and next year, I'm just not sure it needs to be in the first round of 2021.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think the offense will be capable of winning games this year.

If they had scored one more TD, or two more FGs per game last season, they would have been a top 10 scoring offense, and the O-line was ranked #6. As is, with the additions already made this offseason, and Gibson healthy, they will be much harder to defend. No statue at QB, and a true threat opposite McLaurin. Imagine having a top 10 scoring offense, coupled with an even better defense. This team will do some damage.

I just don't think that the LT available at 19 will have as big an impact this year as the best defender (LB or FS) that is there.

They do need to address the O-line this year and next year, I'm just not sure it needs to be in the first round of 2021.

This. We were 100% hamstrung by the QB position. Haskins was one of the worst, and Smith at his VERY best was like a 4 out of 10. Fitz ain't no miracle cure, but he will be a ton better than what we had.

Personally, I still want to see what we have with Heinecke.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think the offense will be capable of winning games this year.



If they had scored one more TD, or two more FGs per game last season, they would have been a top 10 scoring offense, and the O-line was ranked #6. As is, with the additions already made this offseason, and Gibson healthy, they will be much harder to defend. No statue at QB, and a true threat opposite McLaurin. Imagine having a top 10 scoring offense, coupled with an even better defense. This team will do some damage.



I just don't think that the LT available at 19 will have as big an impact this year as the best defender (LB or FS) that is there.



They do need to address the O-line this year and next year, I'm just not sure it needs to be in the first round of 2021.

I think the offense will be improved no doubt. Im not buying the, we were a couple fg’s away from being a top ten offense though because the Defense literally put us in great field position all season. As good as our defense was, or is, that is a huge ask. At some point the Offense has to move the chains consistently not just to score but to give the defense a rest. The offense I watched last year was filthy bad and yes we have upgraded a couple spots, Gibson is healthy, and Fitz and Heineken > Crapkins and an immobile AS, but I think the o line played way above their heads last year, and I don’t believe they can sustain that level of play without a new LT. Plus if Fitz gets hurt early because he doesn’t have proper protection do you really feel great putting Heineken and his injury history behind that same line?
There are two different scenarios at play here with pick 19. We help what we saw on the offensive side last year or the defensive side. My memory says help the offense.