Talent Evaluation?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Is there anything or anyone you like in this organization? I am not questioning your "fanship" by any means, but you don't seem to care much for the coaching staff, front office, or any of our players.

Well I like our cheerleaders. :headbange


In all seriousness, I am one of the guy's who does like Snyder, we have an owner who will do whatever to win, how many teams can say that? Further more he has handed the reigns over to Gibbs and allowed the buck to stop with him, to blame Snyder right now is popular but not fair.

I like G.Williams, tremendous coach, as for the players Cooley, Moss, Taylor, Washington, C.Clemons, Clark, Griffen, and of coarse both of our favorite, Ramsey. There are plenty of others I just usually focus in on the big money guy's who play like minimum wage players.

and yes I was kidding around about Dayne, I actually had a good laugh when I saw how many guys took that serious, sorry for the confusion.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well I like our cheerleaders. :headbange

In all seriousness, I am one of the guy's who does like Snyder, we have an owner who will do whatever to win, how many teams can say that? Further more he has handed the reigns over to Gibbs and allowed the buck to stop with him, to blame Snyder right now is popular but not fair.

I like G.Williams, tremendous coach, as for the players Cooley, Moss, Taylor, Washington, C.Clemons, Clark, Griffen, and of coarse both of our favorite, Ramsey. There are plenty of others I just usually focus in on the big money guy's who play like minimum wage players.

Fair nuff.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well I like our cheerleaders. :headbange


In all seriousness, I am one of the guy's who does like Snyder, we have an owner who will do whatever to win, how many teams can say that? Further more he has handed the reigns over to Gibbs and allowed the buck to stop with him, to blame Snyder right now is popular but not fair.

I like G.Williams, tremendous coach, as for the players Cooley, Moss, Taylor, Washington, C.Clemons, Clark, Griffen, and of coarse both of our favorite, Ramsey. There are plenty of others I just usually focus in on the big money guy's who play like minimum wage players.

and yes I was kidding around about Dayne, I actually had a good laugh when I saw how many guys took that serious, sorry for the confusion.

I do appreciate what Dan does as far as spending cash to get players. However, like I said in a previous thread, we need a GM to make the decisions to what players to spend the cash on. We need better people evaluating talent, whether its free agent talent or college talent. Good teams build through the draft examples : Philly, NE, Cincinnati, Indy, Dallas, NY Giants, all these teams draft there current core or star players, then maybe they add a piece or two that brings them over the top, ala Philly last season w/ TO and Kearse. When we have Vinny, and Pepper Rogers, along w/ the Dan and Joe picking talent its just not a good mix. None of those guys are going to tell Joe that he is picking the wrong guy or trading away useful picks for OLD PLAYERS!.

[skindogger47]

Originally Posted by offiss

Ramsey who may at some point in his carreer prove to be the best of the bunch.

What in hell would drive someone to make such an outlandish comment? Ramsey will prove how good of a quarterback evaluator Steve Spurrier is at the pro level. (see Florida Gator QBs in NFL, also see All Players Drafted in Spurrier Era)

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skindogger47

What in hell would drive someone to make such an outlandish comment? Ramsey will prove how good of a quarterback evaluator Steve Spurrier is at the pro level. (see Florida Gator QBs in NFL, also see All Players Drafted in Spurrier Era)

Spurrier didn't want Ramsey. Snyderatto did.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I'll believe carlos is the shiznitt if he can stop bruce or fitz or boldin, the SD receivers suck and gates was hurt.

We've got decent talent, some is overpaid though, and our draft pick give aways and wasted picks (low rounders not making the team) are disturbing. I think we've improved though. Schotty won with a crappier team, spurrier made our roster worse two years in a row (lost a good Dline etc). We're still missing pieces, which sucks, but i don't think overall team talent is really our biggest problem right now.

Spurrier had nothing to do with the D-line or the roster. Snyderatto did.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well I like our cheerleaders. :headbange


In all seriousness, I am one of the guy's who does like Snyder, we have an owner who will do whatever to win, how many teams can say that? Further more he has handed the reigns over to Gibbs and allowed the buck to stop with him, to blame Snyder right now is popular but not fair.

I like G.Williams, tremendous coach, as for the players Cooley, Moss, Taylor, Washington, C.Clemons, Clark, Griffen, and of coarse both of our favorite, Ramsey. There are plenty of others I just usually focus in on the big money guy's who play like minimum wage players.

and yes I was kidding around about Dayne, I actually had a good laugh when I saw how many guys took that serious, sorry for the confusion.

Not sure why you dislike coach Gibbs so much, but you have your opinion. I will agree that Snyder has done what he thought was necessary to try to bring this team back to its winning ways, but up to this point, he has made all the wrong moves. I believe Snyder is finally starting to grow as an NFL owner and I believe he has learned alot of hard lessons since his first year in the league.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Spurrier had nothing to do with the D-line or the roster. Snyderatto did.

wrong wrong wrong. Spurrier used a pick on taylor, spurrier thought byron chamberlain was a good idea, spurrier brought in matthews and the other gator qb, among others. To say spurrier had NOTHING to do with the roster is just dumb.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

wrong wrong wrong. Spurrier used a pick on taylor, spurrier thought byron chamberlain was a good idea, spurrier brought in matthews and the other gator qb, among others. To say spurrier had NOTHING to do with the roster is just dumb.

The rumor was when SS took over he approached Snyder about a particular personel move and Snyder told him to worry about his coaching.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skindogger47

What in hell would drive someone to make such an outlandish comment? Ramsey will prove how good of a quarterback evaluator Steve Spurrier is at the pro level. (see Florida Gator QBs in NFL, also see All Players Drafted in Spurrier Era)

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Chargers fans rolled their eyes when Brees was declared the starter after Rivers held out of camp. Fortunately for them, and Marty, the Chargers showed Brees some patience by getting impatient with Rivers. Can you tell me when exactly we've shown any patience with Ramsey. We put him in, we yank him out, we put him in, we yank him out.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Chargers fans rolled their eyes when Brees was declared the starter after Rivers held out of camp. Fortunately for them, and Marty, the Chargers showed Brees some patience by getting impatient with Rivers. Can you tell me when exactly we've shown any patience with Ramsey. We put him in, we yank him out, we put him in, we yank him out.

Couldn't agree more, I know many will disagree but one of the biggest problems I have had with Gibbs is the way he just flat out pushed Ramsey out of the picture without really giving him a fair chance, last season when things became so bad he had no choice but to play Ramsey, Ramsey responded and won the starters job, only to have Gibbs looking for any excuse whatsoever to put in his guy Brunell, pretty lowsey thing to do someone to promise them the starters job all off season and then 1 quarter into first game yank him as if the guy has went 2-5 in his last 7 games. I defiently came away with a different opinion of Gibbs after watching how he handled that situation and it left a bad taste in my mouth, if Ramsey failed, ok he failed, but he deserved the opportunity to go out there and prove it one way or the other.

Yes Brunell has played well when given the time, but considering the state of the team was it really a wise decision to bring in an ageing QB if we are in fact still rebuilding? Wouldn't we be better off right now if Ramsey had been playing over the coarse of the last 2 seasons? If you believe no that's fine, I just believe that Ramsey would have greatly improved his play as he became comfortable in Gibbs system, Just like Brunell.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Couldn't agree more, I know many will disagree but one of the biggest problems I have had with Gibbs is the way he just flat out pushed Ramsey out of the picture without really giving him a fair chance, last season when things became so bad he had no choice but to play Ramsey, Ramsey responded and won the starters job, only to have Gibbs looking for any excuse whatsoever to put in his guy Brunell, pretty lowsey thing to do someone to promise them the starters job all off season and then 1 quarter into first game yank him as if the guy has went 2-5 in his last 7 games. I defiently came away with a different opinion of Gibbs after watching how he handled that situation and it left a bad taste in my mouth, if Ramsey failed, ok he failed, but he deserved the opportunity to go out there and prove it one way or the other.

Yes Brunell has played well when given the time, but considering the state of the team was it really a wise decision to bring in an ageing QB if we are in fact still rebuilding? Wouldn't we be better off right now if Ramsey had been playing over the coarse of the last 2 seasons? If you believe no that's fine, I just believe that Ramsey would have greatly improved his play as he became comfortable in Gibbs system, Just like Brunell.

I would but the blame on three people (in no particular order):

Gibbs-I think it was a mistake for him to declare Ramsey the starter before even mini-camp started. Especially if he knew that Brunell was hurt the past season and that some time to recuperate would help him. He backed himself into an unnecessary corner by declaring Ramsey the starter when I don't think he really believed it. It also brings up the misconception that Gibbs owes something to Ramsey (I'll bring that up later)

Ramsey-In spite of finishing 3-4 as a starter last season, Ramsey did a pretty solid job. However, when he played during the preseason I didn't see someone who was any better than when he left the field against Minnesota to wrap up the 2004 season. I know people say that he wasn't given a fair chance, but I think that he had several months in the offseason to work on basic fundamentals that, in my opinion, he either didn't work on or if he did he didn't improve significantly upon them. Ramsey should have had the mentality "OK, I've been given the starting job and now I'm going to step out on the field and put so much distance between me and the next QB that there's no question I should be the guy"

The Fans-I can understand being frustrated, feeling that Ramsey was perhaps not given a fair chance. But here's the thing, Gibbs owes Ramsey nothing in my opinion. It sounds harsh I know. But when Gibbs was brought here, he was brought here to bring a winner back to DC. I'm pretty sure that Snyder, as much as he may love Ramsey, didn't tell Gibbs to help him bring back a Super Bowl trophy "but make sure Ramsey is a part of it" If Gibbs thinks that the answer is Brunell now and Campbell next year (or the year after) I think that's fine to disagree but I don't think it should be because you think he owes anything to Ramsey. (and offiss, I'm not singling you out here, just happen to be quoting your post)

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I would but the blame on three people (in no particular order):

Gibbs-I think it was a mistake for him to declare Ramsey the starter before even mini-camp started. Especially if he knew that Brunell was hurt the past season and that some time to recuperate would help him. He backed himself into an unnecessary corner by declaring Ramsey the starter when I don't think he really believed it. It also brings up the misconception that Gibbs owes something to Ramsey (I'll bring that up later)

Ramsey-In spite of finishing 3-4 as a starter last season, Ramsey did a pretty solid job. However, when he played during the preseason I didn't see someone who was any better than when he left the field against Minnesota to wrap up the 2004 season. I know people say that he wasn't given a fair chance, but I think that he had several months in the offseason to work on basic fundamentals that, in my opinion, he either didn't work on or if he did he didn't improve significantly upon them. Ramsey should have had the mentality "OK, I've been given the starting job and now I'm going to step out on the field and put so much distance between me and the next QB that there's no question I should be the guy"

The Fans-I can understand being frustrated, feeling that Ramsey was perhaps not given a fair chance. But here's the thing, Gibbs owes Ramsey nothing in my opinion. It sounds harsh I know. But when Gibbs was brought here, he was brought here to bring a winner back to DC. I'm pretty sure that Snyder, as much as he may love Ramsey, didn't tell Gibbs to help him bring back a Super Bowl trophy "but make sure Ramsey is a part of it" If Gibbs thinks that the answer is Brunell now and Campbell next year (or the year after) I think that's fine to disagree but I don't think it should be because you think he owes anything to Ramsey. (and offiss, I'm not singling you out here, just happen to be quoting your post)

DEAD ON!!!
I really don't get the personal thing people read into this issue. I have read , heard, seen nothing that would suggest Gibbs is about, or would tolerate that sort of thing. Gibbs is about delivering results, or putting the best guys on the field to try to deliver results. To suggest otherwise, is absurd!

CHECK OUT THE TONY MCGEE THREAD IN THIS FORUM! VERY HONEST ANSWERS FROM A VET!!!!!!!!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

TAFKAS,

I agree with just about everything you said in the above post. I too agree that Gibbs doesn't owe Ramsey much (although he shouldn't have told him he was going to be the starter if he was on such a short leash). I didn't intend to rehash the Brunell-Ramsey debate. All I meant to say was that our organization is very impatient and that isn't a good thing.