Skins getting heat again over name issue

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why do you fucking care so much? Are you Native American? If you are not, stop speaking for other people. Native American have been and continue to get the shaft from the government and other people. If a group of Native American organizations are opposing the name, we should listen to them.

I'm sick of people acting like inconveniences are oppressing. Having your favorite team's name is just an inconvenience, is not the end of the world. There are many people going through a lot of true oppression, let's stop overreacting to minor things like a team changing their fucking name.

The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JackLord

The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.

The Bullets changed their name to the Wizards for lesser reasons and they are fine.

And yes, a name change is just an inconvenience compared to everything else. I'm not crazy about it, but I'm not going to bitch and whine about it, and just move on.

I just want this over and done with and talk about football. I'll be a fan of this team, regardless of their name. Same way I'm still a fan of the Wiz (man I like losing teams).

[sdskinsfan2001]

I hope Blackhawks fans aren't naive. After the Name Changers finish with the Redskins they are rolling onto a new target next. It's as guaranteed as death and taxes. They might pick another team, but eventually they're coming for you!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

The way I see it if you're in a group of people telling others what shouldn't bother them, you're just as bad as those telling others what should bother them.

It's not a stretch to think a word that's defined in the dictionary as being racist, is offensive to some people. Would we even consider naming a team today Redskins? Of course not.

That’s a fair point.

But again, I find it strange some would support and even vote for a person like Elizabeth Warren who actually lied about NA heritage more than once and benefited from it. But that’s a different subject, for a different time.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

That’s a fair point.

But again, I find it strange some would support and even vote for a person like Elizabeth Warren who actually lied about NA heritage more than once and benefited from it. But that’s a different subject, for a different time.

Yeah please take that to the political threads.

[SunnySide]

End of the day .... I honestly dont see Snyder changing the name this year. I think he explores it long enough for it to quiet down then he shelves it.

Admittedly I have not read up on the nuances of the corporate sponsors, the type of money they actually bring in, does their contract have an "out" clause etc

5 years or 10 years down the line? Probably .. maybe.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

End of the day .... I honestly dont see Snyder changing the name this year. I think he explores it long enough for it to quiet down then he shelves it.

Admittedly I have not read up on the nuances of the corporate sponsors, the type of money they actually bring in, does their contract have an "out" clause etc

5 years or 10 years down the line? Probably .. maybe.

It's money driven, so he'll change it. And he'll cash in on all of the old gear people are going to buy in droves before the change, as well as the new gear.

Regardless of the name issue, given how much shit the team has done in the past 10-20 years, I don't mind a fresh start with a new identity.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The Bullets changed their name to the Wizards for lesser reasons and they are fine.

And yes, a name change is just an inconvenience compared to everything else. I'm not crazy about it, but I'm not going to bitch and whine about it, and just move on.

I just want this over and done with and talk about football. I'll be a fan of this team, regardless of their name. Same way I'm still a fan of the Wiz (man I like losing teams).

Thanks for answering my points, not.

The Bullets changed their name for even more inane reasons. It took some serious and frightening stupidity to link street violence with the name of a basketball team. Ole Abe Pollin was a good man, but his notion of cause & effect was right out of a Lewis Carroll story.

Not to mention, if Bullets was sooooooo horrible and spawned violence, then why do the Wizards still sell Bullets gear and have the team wear Bullets uniforms on throwback nights?

Sure the team will be fine although they will still have Danny running the show. I have rooted for the REDSKINS since 1971. I have watched them in 5 Super Bowls. I cannot be flippant about ditching years of fun and history because a bunch of goateed SJWs think Indians have red skin.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by JackLord

The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.

I have no clue how you can say this is anything but free market. Sponsors are pulling money. They are doing so because of their image with consumers. Other NFL owners are fed up with Dan hurting the image of their product. Nobody is forcing Dan to change the name but he will have to deal with the ramifications if he doesn't.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I have no clue how you can say this is anything but free market. Sponsors are pulling money. They are doing so because of their image with consumers. Other NFL owners are fed up with Dan hurting the image of their product. Nobody is forcing Dan to change the name but he will have to deal with the ramifications if he doesn't.

Were it an issue of the Free Market, then sponsors would let the market decide. If the issue hurt the Skins' bottom line- a highly unlikely scenario- then the sponsors would mobilize. But they are not waiting for that. They are doing what scores of other people and organizations are doing- capitulating to the woke mobs.

Snyder is most certainly being forced to change the name.

[Back2RFK]

Originally Posted by MTK

What was your old name?

Can I plead the 5th?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by JackLord

Were it an issue of the Free Market, then sponsors would let the market decide. If the issue hurt the Skins' bottom line- a highly unlikely scenario- then the sponsors would mobilize. But they are not waiting for that. They are doing what scores of other people and organizations are doing- capitulating to the woke mobs.

Snyder is most certainly being forced to change the name.

They did let the market decide and their investors worth $620 billion told them to part ways with the Redskins if they don't change their name.

Brand image is just as part of free market as $. Right now the brand imagery of the Redskins on the NFL is not positive. You can thank DS and his lack of business acumen for that. The Native American mascot imagery is not favorable for myriad of reasons. Some of that can also be blamed on DS handling of the situation.

[Back2RFK]

Originally Posted by MTK

The way I see it if you're in a group of people telling others what shouldn't bother them, you're just as bad as those telling others what should bother them.

It's not a stretch to think a word that's defined in the dictionary as being racist, is offensive to some people. Would we even consider naming a team today Redskins? Of course not.

To be fair the Definition of Redskin has been changed over the years to add that language and they use the term offensive not racist.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JackLord

Were it an issue of the Free Market, then sponsors would let the market decide. If the issue hurt the Skins' bottom line- a highly unlikely scenario- then the sponsors would mobilize. But they are not waiting for that. They are doing what scores of other people and organizations are doing- capitulating to the woke mobs.

Snyder is most certainly being forced to change the name.

This.

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

They did let the market decide and their investors worth $620 billion told them to part ways with the Redskins if they don't change their name.

Brand image is just as part of free market as $. Right now the brand imagery of the Redskins on the NFL is not positive. You can thank DS and his lack of business acumen for that. The Native American mascot imagery is not favorable for myriad of reasons. Some of that can also be blamed on DS handling of the situation.

Investors who are inexplicably capitulating to the mob. Never a let a good crisis go to waste. That is not the Free Market. That is appeasement. The Redskins are but one example.

The Market is you and I plus the rest of the NFL fandom. And evidence has already indicated that the vast majority of the population could possibly care less.

The Redskins brand is very positive. They are one of the oldest teams in the league and have produced some great players. Their helmet logo was designed by a Native American.

Snyder certainly could have handled it better, no doubt. But he was not even born when the team was named the Redskins.