Walt Harris Sucks

MTK · 11-15-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Was Stanley Richard really that bad?

He was one of the worst tacklers I've ever seen.

As for the secondary, with a lack of any consistent pressure up front, it's really making their job more difficult than it should be. QBs have all day to let their WRs get open, that's a tough task for any DB.

#56fanatic · 11-15-2005, 10:58 AM

In response to the Harris sucks : I do believe that although he was beaten like a drum on some plays it was not all his fault. Looking back, on a couple of the deep balls he looked like he was allowing the receiver to get by him, assuming he had help deep. I am fualting our #20(I have retired from trying to spell his last name) more than anyone. Play after play he was late, sometimes not even getting there. Springs and Harris both were trying to talk to him on the sideline after a couple of those deep balls. I believe they were trying to explain what coverages they were playing. Corners in the NFL are only as good as their D-lines pass rush. I dont care what corner it is, if they have to cover a WR for more than 4 seconds or so, the WR is going to get open. I believe thats what benefitted our D last year and in the early going this year. The games we get no pressure in the back field are the games we are giving up the big plays. Whether is LB or Lineman, somebody has to get pressure. Harris is just one of the Average CB who needs a good pass rush to look good. There are only maybe 2 or 3 guys in this league that can flat out cover someone(contradicting my earlier statement) and we gave one of them up a couple of years ago. Smoot is getting exposed in Minnesota too. I have seen him get beat several times this year.

sportscurmudgeon · 11-15-2005, 02:11 PM

saden1:

Stanley Richard was as effective at safety as a snowman. Even before the Redskins acquired him via free agency, Richard was the weak link in the Chargers' secondary.

Here's something to look for. During the ramp up to the Super Bowl, you''ll have the opportunity to see the game films of all the previous Super Bowls. When you find that the SF/San Diego game is on, watch it or tape it or TiVO it. SF scores 4 very early TDs and in each case the guy who is beaten in the end zone - or at the three yard line going into the end zone - was Stanley Richard (#24).

His idea of a fundamentally sound tackle would be to wrap his arms under the runner's shoulder pads and then try to bulldog him to the ground. Using that technique, he routinely game up about 3-5 extra yards to a runner after he made the initial contact. :frusty:

Was he really that bad? He may have been worse...

onsidekick · 11-15-2005, 02:21 PM

I have a bunch of friends who are Bears fans and when we picked up Harris they all warned me that he would cost us 2 games all by himself by missing tackles and wandering around the secondary in a general daze. I didn't see what they were talking about during the first few games but it looks like he's showing his true colors now.

jamf · 11-15-2005, 04:56 PM

I would rather see Jimoh in there... honestly, dont laugh, but i would rather see jimoh start along side springs.

#56fanatic · 11-15-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jamf

I would rather see Jimoh in there... honestly, dont laugh, but i would rather see jimoh start along side springs.

Are you kidding? This guy couldn't cover me one on one. And I am SLOW!!

carldoc · 11-15-2005, 06:10 PM

Richard and Harris are close. Throw in Elvis Patterson for the Giants from a few years back. He earned the nickname "Toast" by his team mates. Want to guess why? Yet, he has a Ring. Right time, right place I guess.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-15-2005, 07:53 PM

Here's a snippet from NFL.com's TMQ.

"Stop Me Before I Blitz Again! Washington leading City of Tampa 28-21, the Bucs faced third-and-9. Since the average NFL play yields about six yards, all the Redskins had to do -- anyway it's a six-blitz, 46-yard completion. Two snaps later, Washington six-blitzed again, touchdown pass. Now it's Washington 35, Tampa 28 with 1:05 remaining, Bucs on the Skins' 30. Blitz; Edell Shepherd is single-covered deep, touchdown and the stage is set for the fateful ending."

Does anyone think that maybe, just maybe our secondary gets hurt because we blitz too many guys? That's what you get for not having a pass-rush from the front four.

jermus22 · 11-15-2005, 08:05 PM

Well said Ramseyfan. We need someone (especially at DE) coming off the edge and making QBs run for their lives without blitzers having to help. I also agree with the comments earlier about Harris being an average CB who needs help from the pass rush. Harris really was solid as the nickelback last year, and he had a few good games early this year. He's really not a bad player; we were just hurt by Taylor's absence and the lack of a pass rush. It's funny how some fans turn the tables on a player when things go bad. Earlier in the season he actually did a very nice job tackling; just look at the Dallas highlights. Still, I'm hoping we put Rogers in soon. Experience will be the only thing that makes the rookie get better.

jermus22 · 11-15-2005, 08:06 PM

As for Stanley Richard, he may have led the 'Skins in tackling for a few years but that was only because our front seven stunk so badly. And yeah, he wasn't a good tackler.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-15-2005, 10:24 PM

I can't believe that we are lamenting Walt Harris' poor tackling skills and wishing we had Smoot back in the same thread. Maybe time has fogged our memories of Smoot, but he wasn't the type to act as a demo in a tackling drill.

railcon56 · 11-16-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I can't believe that we are lamenting Walt Harris' poor tackling skills and wishing we had Smoot back in the same thread. Maybe time has fogged our memories of Smoot, but he wasn't the type to act as a demo in a tackling drill.

lol

redrock-skins · 11-16-2005, 11:54 PM

I heard on the Skins Podcast, that before the Eagles game, Gibbs had a special tackle drill and the players jokingly called it the "Walt Harris Drill". Anyone else hear about this or did I miss the thread or post somewhere?

saskin · 11-17-2005, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redrock-skins

I heard on the Skins Podcast, that before the Eagles game, Gibbs had a special tackle drill and the players jokingly called it the "Walt Harris Drill". Anyone else hear about this or did I miss the thread or post somewhere?

Either way thats funny!

But I did hear something about naming drills after peope or something like that.

redrock-skins · 11-17-2005, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins88

Either way thats funny!

But I did hear something about naming drills after peope or something like that.

You can get the podcast or direct mp3 download here:

http://skinny.mysportsradio.com/

It was funny hearing it. Rusty said its one of those drills you can't just take Harris aside and humiliate him, yet the whole team knows why they are doing tackle drills (going for kill shots instead).

11-15-2005, 10:58 AM	#17
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 50 Posts: 1,801	Re: Walt Harris Sucks In response to the Harris sucks : I do believe that although he was beaten like a drum on some plays it was not all his fault. Looking back, on a couple of the deep balls he looked like he was allowing the receiver to get by him, assuming he had help deep. I am fualting our #20(I have retired from trying to spell his last name) more than anyone. Play after play he was late, sometimes not even getting there. Springs and Harris both were trying to talk to him on the sideline after a couple of those deep balls. I believe they were trying to explain what coverages they were playing. Corners in the NFL are only as good as their D-lines pass rush. I dont care what corner it is, if they have to cover a WR for more than 4 seconds or so, the WR is going to get open. I believe thats what benefitted our D last year and in the early going this year. The games we get no pressure in the back field are the games we are giving up the big plays. Whether is LB or Lineman, somebody has to get pressure. Harris is just one of the Average CB who needs a good pass rush to look good. There are only maybe 2 or 3 guys in this league that can flat out cover someone(contradicting my earlier statement) and we gave one of them up a couple of years ago. Smoot is getting exposed in Minnesota too. I have seen him get beat several times this year.

11-15-2005, 02:11 PM	#18
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Walt Harris Sucks saden1: Stanley Richard was as effective at safety as a snowman. Even before the Redskins acquired him via free agency, Richard was the weak link in the Chargers' secondary. Here's something to look for. During the ramp up to the Super Bowl, you''ll have the opportunity to see the game films of all the previous Super Bowls. When you find that the SF/San Diego game is on, watch it or tape it or TiVO it. SF scores 4 very early TDs and in each case the guy who is beaten in the end zone - or at the three yard line going into the end zone - was Stanley Richard (#24). His idea of a fundamentally sound tackle would be to wrap his arms under the runner's shoulder pads and then try to bulldog him to the ground. Using that technique, he routinely game up about 3-5 extra yards to a runner after he made the initial contact. :frusty: Was he really that bad? He may have been worse... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

11-15-2005, 02:21 PM	#19
onsidekick Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Age: 46 Posts: 75	Re: Walt Harris Sucks I have a bunch of friends who are Bears fans and when we picked up Harris they all warned me that he would cost us 2 games all by himself by missing tackles and wandering around the secondary in a general daze. I didn't see what they were talking about during the first few games but it looks like he's showing his true colors now.

11-15-2005, 06:10 PM	#22
carldoc Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6	Re: Walt Harris Sucks Richard and Harris are close. Throw in Elvis Patterson for the Giants from a few years back. He earned the nickname "Toast" by his team mates. Want to guess why? Yet, he has a Ring. Right time, right place I guess.

11-15-2005, 07:53 PM	#23
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Walt Harris Sucks Here's a snippet from NFL.com's TMQ. "Stop Me Before I Blitz Again! Washington leading City of Tampa 28-21, the Bucs faced third-and-9. Since the average NFL play yields about six yards, all the Redskins had to do -- anyway it's a six-blitz, 46-yard completion. Two snaps later, Washington six-blitzed again, touchdown pass. Now it's Washington 35, Tampa 28 with 1:05 remaining, Bucs on the Skins' 30. Blitz; Edell Shepherd is single-covered deep, touchdown and the stage is set for the fateful ending." Does anyone think that maybe, just maybe our secondary gets hurt because we blitz too many guys? That's what you get for not having a pass-rush from the front four.

11-15-2005, 04:56 PM	#20
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,323	Re: Walt Harris Sucks I would rather see Jimoh in there... honestly, dont laugh, but i would rather see jimoh start along side springs.

11-15-2005, 08:05 PM	#24
jermus22 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Frankfort, KY Age: 42 Posts: 336	Re: Walt Harris Sucks Well said Ramseyfan. We need someone (especially at DE) coming off the edge and making QBs run for their lives without blitzers having to help. I also agree with the comments earlier about Harris being an average CB who needs help from the pass rush. Harris really was solid as the nickelback last year, and he had a few good games early this year. He's really not a bad player; we were just hurt by Taylor's absence and the lack of a pass rush. It's funny how some fans turn the tables on a player when things go bad. Earlier in the season he actually did a very nice job tackling; just look at the Dallas highlights. Still, I'm hoping we put Rogers in soon. Experience will be the only thing that makes the rookie get better. __________________ Win it in the trenches.

11-15-2005, 08:06 PM	#25
jermus22 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Frankfort, KY Age: 42 Posts: 336	Re: Walt Harris Sucks As for Stanley Richard, he may have led the 'Skins in tackling for a few years but that was only because our front seven stunk so badly. And yeah, he wasn't a good tackler. __________________ Win it in the trenches.

11-15-2005, 10:24 PM	#26
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Walt Harris Sucks I can't believe that we are lamenting Walt Harris' poor tackling skills and wishing we had Smoot back in the same thread. Maybe time has fogged our memories of Smoot, but he wasn't the type to act as a demo in a tackling drill.

11-16-2005, 11:54 PM	#28
redrock-skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 783	Re: Walt Harris Sucks I heard on the Skins Podcast, that before the Eagles game, Gibbs had a special tackle drill and the players jokingly called it the "Walt Harris Drill". Anyone else hear about this or did I miss the thread or post somewhere?

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